vanderark14 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Not many players will go straight to the EPL from teams like aberdeen. Fraser needed a stepping stone to get there and now he is an established EPL player. From that perspective its a good move. Mckenna was a rock so far this season, back to the player he was in 18/19 All the best to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: Not many players will go straight to the EPL from teams like aberdeen. Fraser needed a stepping stone to get there and now he is an established EPL player. From that perspective its a good move. Mckenna was a rock so far this season, back to the player he was in 18/19 All the best to him I hope Aberdeen got a decent fee for him as they were rubbish today without him. Anything less than 5m is not worth it imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, mccaughey85 said: I hope Aberdeen got a decent fee for him as they were rubbish today without him. Anything less than 5m is not worth it imo. He wasnt the sole reason aberdeen were rubbish. Hoban was on the bench, he is a very good centre half BUT we cant cope without both of them. Mcinnes fucked up today. We wont get 5m, he is only just back tp his previous form and this is a different transfer market. 3m is my guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: He wasnt the sole reason aberdeen were rubbish. Hoban was on the bench, he is a very good centre half BUT we cant cope without both of them. Mcinnes fucked up today. We wont get 5m, he is only just back tp his previous form and this is a different transfer market. 3m is my guess Then why sell for 3m, Aberdeen should be holding out for much more considering the amount that average players go for in England. Same goes for Cosgrove, did Aberdeen not accept 2.7m for him? I don't understand Scottish clubs setting such low valuations on their players when guys like mcginn and McLean have done relatively well down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, mccaughey85 said: Then why sell for 3m, Aberdeen should be holding out for much more considering the amount that average players go for in England. Same goes for Cosgrove, did Aberdeen not accept 2.7m for him? I don't understand Scottish clubs setting such low valuations on their players when guys like mcginn and McLean have done relatively well down there. 3m in this market is not a disaster for a player who showed great potential then fell away and is find a bit of form, he is also.desperate to to england. Id bite your hand off if someone paid 2.7 for cosrgove. He is very mich overated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, vanderark14 said: 3m in this market is not a disaster for a player who showed great potential then fell away and is find a bit of form, he is also.desperate to to england. Id bite your hand off if someone paid 2.7 for cosrgove. He is very mich overated 3m for 23 year old established international player who will at worst be good at English championship level is undervaluing him. Sam Cosgrove could probably score goals at English championship level and those guys go for over 10m. 2.7m is stupid for a guy who's scored 1 in 2games for Aberdeen. Aberdeen have helped mould Cosgrove into a decent striker since he moved there and should be looking to make serious coin out of guys like him. There's plenty of daft English clubs with more money than sense. Ivan toney got sold for 5m that rises to 10m with add ons. That's a league 1 striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Sixteen caps for a twenty three year old Scottish Premiership player who doesn't play for the Old Firm is not bad by todays standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: 3m in this market is not a disaster for a player who showed great potential then fell away and is find a bit of form, he is also.desperate to to england. Id bite your hand off if someone paid 2.7 for cosrgove. He is very mich overated £3M is cheap for a McKenna but I doubt if Aberdeen are in a position to turn it down. They should go for a 30% sell on clause for that money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, er yir macaroon said: £3M is cheap for a McKenna but I doubt if Aberdeen are in a position to turn it down. They should go for a 30% sell on clause for that money. Aberdeen definitely not in a position to say no. This will help forest immensly during negotiations. As much as i want more for him, i am a realist and right now aberdeen are losing a lot of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Might be in league one next year at Forrest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burj_Alba Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 13 hours ago, Malcolm said: Might be in league one next year at Forrest Agreed, shocking start, I can see why they need McKenna. But obviously got something or they wouldn't have been in a position to blow their play off place last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, Malcolm said: Might be in league one next year at Forrest Calm down. They've got just the 44 league games left to play 😂 Edited September 21, 2020 by Parklife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 21 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said: Sixteen caps for a twenty three year old Scottish Premiership player who doesn't play for the Old Firm is not bad by todays standards. Particularly if you compare him to Liam Cooper who's several years older and only got three caps! Is the Championship really that much better than the Scottish Premiership? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor1996 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: Particularly if you compare him to Liam Cooper who's several years older and only got three caps! Is the Championship really that much better than the Scottish Premiership? No. It's total snobbery. The English, generally, compare the SPL to League 2/3. You saw what happened with Tierney, it took months and Celtic twisting Arsenal's arms to get £25m, even though we all know that he's world class and worth £70m in today's market. Aston Villa bought John McGinn for £4m, and a year later they quoted Man United £50m for him. English football isn't playing with a full deck Edited September 21, 2020 by Taylor1996 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: Particularly if you compare him to Liam Cooper who's several years older and only got three caps! Is the Championship really that much better than the Scottish Premiership? It’s not for no reason that Cooper is known as League One Liam amongst Leeds fans. If McKenna does well there then maybe he can get a move to a better club, Forest are another basket case of a club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor1996 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Scott McKenna to sign for Nottingham Forrest on Tuesday. £3m up front. Potentially rising to £6m (Probably if Forrest get promoted to the EPL) and a 25% sell on fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor1996 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 7 hours ago, Taylor1996 said: Scott McKenna to sign for Nottingham Forrest on Tuesday. £3m up front. Potentially rising to £6m (Probably if Forrest get promoted to the EPL) and a 25% sell on fee. "Forest" Sorry, viewing Forest fans. It'll probably be closer to £5m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burj_Alba Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Taylor1996 said: Scott McKenna to sign for Nottingham Forrest on Tuesday. £3m up front. Potentially rising to £6m (Probably if Forrest get promoted to the EPL) and a 25% sell on fee. Good money for the Dons, hopefully cash in someday on the sell on clause, that means he will be going to a higher level. Or they could get as much on the sell on clause as they did for Fraser. 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 16 hours ago, Hertsscot said: Particularly if you compare him to Liam Cooper who's several years older and only got three caps! Is the Championship really that much better than the Scottish Premiership? Scotland caps mean very little when we are so terrible. Our worst player Stephen O’Donnell must have a good few caps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaundy Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Proudscot , what ! “shite and we know we are “ is your favourite singalong? englandshire takes the piss just because they can . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor1996 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 5:32 PM, ger intae them said: The reason is you are a smug putz. ❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor1996 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Dundee United's 20-year-old forward Logan Chalmers was watched by scouts from Premier League clubs Crystal Palace and Southampton, as well as Championship side Birmingham City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 How many Scots have moved direct to the Championship and become long term success? I can remember lots of guys who many on here tipped to go to the Championship as a stepping stone but ultimately couldnt establish themselves. Guys like Liam Lindsay, Stevie May, Steven McLean, Barry McKay and Greame Shinnie etc Trying to think of anybody other than Fraiser, Adam, McGinn and possibly McLean. I think the step up is much more than people think. Yes there are some rubbish players in the Championship however most teams have much more quality and certainly strength in depth than anybody outside the Old Firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 51 minutes ago, Diamond Scot said: How many Scots have moved direct to the Championship and become long term success? I can remember lots of guys who many on here tipped to go to the Championship as a stepping stone but ultimately couldnt establish themselves. Guys like Liam Lindsay, Stevie May, Steven McLean, Barry McKay and Greame Shinnie etc Trying to think of anybody other than Fraiser, Adam, McGinn and possibly McLean. I think the step up is much more than people think. Yes there are some rubbish players in the Championship however most teams have much more quality and certainly strength in depth than anybody outside the Old Firm. Tbf shinnie played last season and is a first team player this season for Derby and barrie mckay did well initially when he went to Nottingham forest. I would say there is alot more successful examples than failures. Guys like s fletcher, mccormack, Paterson, Snodgrass are success stories along with the guys you already mentioned. Your right in saying it is a step up from the spl but it's not a massive gap imo. I think at the moment Aberdeen and hibs would do OK in the English championship and maybe kilmarnock. The lower half of the championship/top half of league 1 is standard of the spl teams outside the old firm imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said: Tbf shinnie played last season and is a first team player this season for Derby and barrie mckay did well initially when he went to Nottingham forest. I would say there is alot more successful examples than failures. Guys like s fletcher, mccormack, Paterson, Snodgrass are success stories along with the guys you already mentioned. Your right in saying it is a step up from the spl but it's not a massive gap imo. I think at the moment Aberdeen and hibs would do OK in the English championship and maybe kilmarnock. The lower half of the championship/top half of league 1 is standard of the spl teams outside the old firm imo. I think the biggest difference between the Scottish Premiership and English Championship is you're playing against teams of a that standard on a more regular basis. If we say half the Scottish Premier wouldn't compete above the relegation battle in the Championship and that's roughly half your games, playing in the Championship makes your average game tougher - even if you're missing out on regular matches against the Old Firm duo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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