EU Referendum

[thplinth]

Ha ha dont kid yourself the NO fearties will be even more shiteing themselves now and especially after we are dragged out the EU. The idea of us going independent and staying in or rejoining the EU will petrify them even more. Probably be 60% NO next time post brexit.

[Return of Yermaw]

7 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

If there were a vote to tomorrow the conservitives would take banff and buchan i have no doubt about it,, if the snp does not lose the seat it is going to be a huge swing, i am encouraged that ni one else is aeeing this trend but mrs whiteford has a huge fight on her hands, i have already sent an email to her, she is a brilliant MP and would be gutted if she were to lose her seat

I hope I'm wrong; would be gutted to see; pains me to say etc etc - feckin yawn. Try a different approach if you are going to persist with this bore fest.

[Toepoke]

Even his Lardship is backing Sturgeon on this one...

http://stv.tv/news/politics/1358675-nicola-sturgeon-says-holyrood-could-try-to-block-brexit/

 

[ErsatzThistle]

2 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

Even his Lardship is backing Sturgeon on this one...

http://stv.tv/news/politics/1358675-nicola-sturgeon-says-holyrood-could-try-to-block-brexit/

Probably not a bad chap when he's sober right enough ..........

[Rossy]

1 hour ago, Return of Yermaw said:

I hope I'm wrong; would be gutted to see; pains me to say etc etc - feckin yawn. Try a different approach if you are going to persist with this bore fest.

He just keeps on going. I'm starting to realise that he's a master in ripping the pish. 

[Toepoke]

Have a read at the comments here, pure rage!

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nicola-sturgeon-warns-scotland-could-134720488.html

 

[George Saint]

I voted to remain in the EU, but it's a referendum and you have to respect the wishes of the majority of people. I also think that if pro-EU politicians in both the UK and other EU countries had taken more seriously in recent years some of peoples legitimate concerns about the problems that the EU has, and done something about them, then this situation would never have arisen. They've been arrogant and complacent and it's come back to haunt them.

In my opinion only a tiny number of people that voted Leave are racists. The vast majority of leave voters are decent people who are concerned about how things have been going and the lack of willingness to address certain issues. My hope is that this situation will cause the EU to carry out the reforms and improvements that it needs to, and that the UK can eventually rejoin a better run and managed EU. I consider myself a European and I want the UK to work closely with other countries in Europe (and beyond).

[DoonTheSlope]

8 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

Have a read at the comments here, pure rage!

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nicola-sturgeon-warns-scotland-could-134720488.html

 

Some very valid points 

[Ally Bongo]

Say what you like about Nick Clegg - but he wrote this on Wednesday

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/will-wake-vote-leave/

[brant grebner]

Pity that the smell of dead pig scented Tory jizz coming out his gub meant that no one would listen to the words coming out of it.

[fringo]

17 minutes ago, George Saint said:

I voted to remain in the EU, but it's a referendum and you have to respect the wishes of the majority of people. I also think that if pro-EU politicians in both the UK and other EU countries had taken more seriously in recent years some of peoples legitimate concerns about the problems that the EU has, and done something about them, then this situation would never have arisen. They've been arrogant and complacent and it's come back to haunt them.

In my opinion only a tiny number of people that voted Leave are racists. The vast majority of leave voters are decent people who are concerned about how things have been going and the lack of willingness to address certain issues. My hope is that this situation will cause the EU to carry out the reforms and improvements that it needs to, and that the UK can eventually rejoin a better run and managed EU. I consider myself a European and I want the UK to work closely with other countries in Europe (and beyond).

Good post.

As an additional footnote (I've not read most of this thread though so it may have been mentioned), I think many Leave voters have been misguided and/or ignored the fact that many of their issues have actually been caused by successive UK governments and not the EU.

Edited June 26, 2016 by fringo

[aaid]

9 minutes ago, George Saint said:

I voted to remain in the EU, but it's a referendum and you have to respect the wishes of the majority of people. I also think that if pro-EU politicians in both the UK and other EU countries had taken more seriously in recent years some of peoples legitimate concerns about the problems that the EU has, and done something about them, then this situation would never have arisen. They've been arrogant and complacent and it's come back to haunt them.

In my opinion only a tiny number of people that voted Leave are racists. The vast majority of leave voters are decent people who are concerned about how things have been going and the lack of willingness to address certain issues. My hope is that this situation will cause the EU to carry out the reforms and improvements that it needs to, and that the UK can eventually rejoin a better run and managed EU. I consider myself a European and I want the UK to work closely with other countries in Europe (and beyond).

I agree with pretty much all of that.  Especially the part about it being a minority of people who voted leave that are racist - although we might have to argue about the definition of "tiny" is.  

I saw a great quote on Twitter last night which I think is so true. 

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I don't think that half the population are racists but I do think the racists believe that half the country supports them.

I'm genuinely concerned about how this will work out for England, not so much for the EU aspects - as I don't think the UK will "leave" the EU in any meaningful terms - but more internally, especially when leavers start to realise that what they thought they were voting for isn't achievable.

Lots and lots of reports of low-level racist activity across the country since Friday and it remains to be seen whether this is similar to George Square where the knuckledraggers felt empowered by the result but crawled back under their stones of it's something more serious.  

I'm not going to predict Armageddon or anything but England's green and pleasant land feels a whole lot less pleasant than it did last week. 

[George Saint]

3 minutes ago, fringo said:

I think many Leave voters have been misguided and/or ignored the fact that many of their issues have actually been caused by successive UK governments and not the EU.

Yes, I agree with that. I also think the EU has been blamed for certain things that are problems in all/lots of countries, and not just in countries that are members of the EU.

[aaid]

8 minutes ago, fringo said:

Good post.

As an additional footnote (I've not read most of this thread though so it may have been mentioned), I think many Leave voters have been misguided and/or ignored the fact that many of their issues have actually been caused by successive UK governments and not the EU.

That's completely true, I think the only people to make that point with any regularity were the SNP.  They of course could do that - at least as far as Westminster is concerned - as they are not implicated and a cynic might say they have plenty of practice in blaming Westminster.

You're hardly likely to get Tory or Labour Politicians on the Remain side lining up to say "you know what, I know we've been blaming the EU for all this for years but actually it was us that ####ed it up.  Sorry about that, can you now vote for us". 

[exile]

15 minutes ago, fringo said:

Good post.

As an additional footnote (I've not read most of this thread though so it may have been mentioned), I think many Leave voters have been misguided and/or ignored the fact that many of their issues have actually been caused by successive UK governments and not the EU.

Not only successive governments, but also the British political system. From the UKIP voter's point of view, they were failed by the Westminster GE in 2015, with almost no representation except in Clacton-on-Sea. All that rage/passion/democratic disgruntlement without an outlet. Had UKIP suddenly scored a couple of dozen MPs in 2015, the attitude to the 'threat' of Brexit would have been taken much more seriously.

[Marky]

Don't know if this has been posted already...

http://www.snappytv.com/tc/2242155/1125765

 

[Alan]

Looking at voting patterns the people who voted to leave generally were poorer, less educated, older, outside metropolitan areas. It shows the feeling of democratic deficit in certain places especially with depressed wages.

[Bristolhibby]

10 minutes ago, Alan said:

Looking at voting patterns the people who voted to leave generally were poorer, less educated, older, outside metropolitan areas. It shows the feeling of democratic deficit in certain places especially with depressed wages.

It was the only time recently where they have had democratic control.

Keep wondering if the UK has proportional representation (where every vote counts) those who are genuinely disenfranchised (UKIP voters getting one MP), would have had their voices heard in Parliment and would have felt less inclined to "watch Rome burn" and protested last Thursday.

It would have also heralded a new type of concensus politics.

J

[thorbotnic]

3 minutes ago, Bristolhibby said:

It was the only time recently where they have had democratic control.

Keep wondering if the UK has proportional representation (where every vote counts) those who are genuinely disenfranchised (UKIP voters getting one MP), would have had their voices heard in Parliment and would have felt less inclined to "watch Rome burn" and protested last Thursday.

It would have also heralded a new type of concensus politics.

J

100% agreement. Tories are far too bone headed to ever realise it, though. O hold out some small hope for labour.

[phart]

[sjd1972]

1 hour ago, brant grebner said:

Pity that the smell of dead pig scented Tory jizz coming out his gub meant that no one would listen to the words coming out of it.

[hauniscots]

On 24 June 2016 at 0:27 AM, neilser said:

Why are some adults so fecking childish and kids so grown up? Woman on the radio news just now bleating on about not being racist but that her grandchild had a Polish kid who couldn't speak English in their class. Big fecking deal - my kids have had that and because they're kids rather than bigots they and their classmates speak to the child who then rapidly learns English and is quickly integrated. I honestly despair.

I have a work colleague who's daughter shares the class with 7 other polish kids with limited grasp of the language. As a result he feels her education is going at snail's pace. 

Is is this a genuine concern or is he racist?

[Bristolhibby]

1 minute ago, hauniscots said:

I have a work colleague who's daughter shares the class with 7 other polish kids with limited grasp of the language. As a result he feels her education is going at snail's pace. 

Is is this a genuine concern or is he racist?

I'd be moaning about the lack of specialist teachers through real reduction in schools budgets and not the Polish kids.

Cure the disease not the symptom.

J

[adamntg]

7 minutes ago, hauniscots said:

I have a work colleague who's daughter shares the class with 7 other polish kids with limited grasp of the language. As a result he feels her education is going at snail's pace. 

Is is this a genuine concern or is he racist?

Racist.  A proper school will tailor its tuition to children of all different abilities. 

[hauniscots]

3 minutes ago, Bristolhibby said:

I'd be moaning about the lack of specialist teachers through real reduction in schools budgets and not the Polish kids.

Cure the disease not the symptom.

J

Regardless of the quality of teacher, the pace of education will inevitably be slower.