aaid Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Is there any truth in the Labour/SNP tactical voting ? That to me is as unlikely as Swinson resigning at this point given Scotland In Union is urging voters in all marginal seats to get behind the main opposition to the SNP. Would be good of true right enough. There's a very good chance although I'm not saying it will happen. If you think about it from a Labour perspective, it makes perfect sense to vote for the SNP here as there's no chance they'll win. Swinson has repeatedly said that there's no chance she'd work with Corbyn whereas Sturgeon has consistently said she would subject to... From the tables that were published last week in that YouGov model, the SNP were about 5 points behind, Greens were on that and there was still around 12% or so for Labour. If you're a Corbyn supporter you could be tempted to vote SNP, if you're a more "traditional" Scottish Labour voter, you probably won't. Interesting though that Owen Jones was in the constituency yesterday and met up with the SNP candidate. https://twitter.com/AmyCallaghanSNP/status/1201525327899570178?s=20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, aaid said: There's a very good chance although I'm not saying it will happen. If you think about it from a Labour perspective, it makes perfect sense to vote for the SNP here as there's no chance they'll win. Swinson has repeatedly said that there's no chance she'd work with Corbyn whereas Sturgeon has consistently said she would subject to... From the tables that were published last week in that YouGov model, the SNP were about 5 points behind, Greens were on that and there was still around 12% or so for Labour. If you're a Corbyn supporter you could be tempted to vote SNP, if you're a more "traditional" Scottish Labour voter, you probably won't. Interesting though that Owen Jones was in the constituency yesterday and met up with the SNP candidate. https://twitter.com/AmyCallaghanSNP/status/1201525327899570178?s=20 That’s true, I am guilty of viewing it from an independence only perspective when in fact its mainly about the election and beating the Tories in the first instance. I know I am being naive and you need to play the tactical game for longer term gain but all this fake support does not sit well with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: That’s true, I am guilty of viewing it from an independence only perspective when in fact its mainly about the election and beating the Tories in the first instance. I know I am being naive and you need to play the tactical game for longer term gain but all this fake support does not sit well with me. I'm not convinced that there are enough people left in Scottish Labour who can get past their rabid hatred of the SNP above everything else to make it work. Voters might be another matter though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 6 hours ago, aaid said: If its less than £7500 then it doesn't have to be reported to the Electoral Commission. There's nothing on their website - however that only includes donations up to the end of August at the moment. I’m pretty sure that will change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I've been trying to get a handle on everything, and to be honest it's impossible, you have to fact check every newspaper article. There is huge swathes of shit information that you have to read to find out it's shit. Economics becomes subjective depending on how much weight you put on things like "the market". I'm straight up not competent/intelligent enough to sift through this and make informed decisions and predictions with any degree of confidence they will be accurate. For instance the IEA is ran by big tobacco and has links to Tories to know this you have to read the British Medical Journal or hope you caught the brief coverage by looking specifically for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I'm not hugely knowledgeable about politics but it does interest me - I can understand the Scottish Tories dislike of the SNP but I don't understand some sections of Scottish Labours absolute hatred of the SNP - any historical / religous reasons for this ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) In the summer Johnson raised the most money ever by a british politician campaigning to lead their political party. In the first 2 weeks of this election, the Conservatives have smashed the record for donations raising £ 8.6 mio compared to Labours £3.7 mio , most of Labours funding came from Unite. Brexit Party has raised £2.25 mio. Total for all parties is £15.6 mio so effectively a total of £1mio raised between all the other parties combined. Depressing. Edited December 4, 2019 by TDYER63 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 59 minutes ago, glasgow jock said: I'm not hugely knowledgeable about politics but it does interest me - I can understand the Scottish Tories dislike of the SNP but I don't understand some sections of Scottish Labours absolute hatred of the SNP - any historical / religous reasons for this ?? The British Labour Party is every bit Unionist and Establishment as the Tories. There is also a "socialism facade" in that the whole UK should have socialist policies and to deliver that they need the cash cow of Scotland. No Labour Government has or ever will make this socialist facade a reality - including under Corbyn - because of sentence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, glasgow jock said: I'm not hugely knowledgeable about politics but it does interest me - I can understand the Scottish Tories dislike of the SNP but I don't understand some sections of Scottish Labours absolute hatred of the SNP - any historical / religous reasons for this ?? Scottish Labour believe that Scotlands working class 'belongs' to them, they still live in a world of two party politics, its them or the Tories. This upstart party called the SNP have taken their voters, taken their position on the political spectrum, and they simply cant stand it. Because of this, they utterly despise the SNP, and would rather live under Tory policies that they disagree with, than under SNP policies that they agree with. Edited December 4, 2019 by kumnio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) Just look at the loathsome cunt that is George twat-in-the-hat Galloway. Opposed independence for Scotland as he was an international socialist whatever the fuck that means and then turned full on Billy Brit during BREXIT. Makes me glad he got his head kicked in. Ratbag. Edited December 4, 2019 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 The remarkable thing is that Labour/Tory/Lib Dem have alienated themselves from around 40% of the Scottish electorate with their stance on independence. By totally ruling it out (mostly) there are a big percentage of that electorate who will not vote for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, glasgow jock said: I'm not hugely knowledgeable about politics but it does interest me - I can understand the Scottish Tories dislike of the SNP but I don't understand some sections of Scottish Labours absolute hatred of the SNP - any historical / religous reasons for this ?? They see the SNP as an existential enemy for a couple of reasons. The primary one is that their - Labour's - power emanates from the Westminster system and the SNP obviously threaten that. The secondary one is that in recent years, the SNP has made huge inroads into Labour's "natural" support in Scotland and that's the source of a lot of tension between UK Labour - who know that they need to deal with the SNP at Westminster to have any chance - and Scottish Labour. While Labour may have huge differences in policies and a world view from the Tories, they are both locked into a Westminster system that is designed to keep both parties as the dominant forces in UK Politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, kumnio said: Scottish Labour believe that Scotlands working class 'belongs' to them, they still live in a world of two party politics, its them or the Tories. This upstart party called the SNP have taken their voters, taken their position on the political spectrum, and they simply cant stand it. Because of this, they utterly despise the SNP, and would rather live under Tory policies that they disagree with, than under SNP policies that they agree with. That's it in a nutshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, thplinth said: Just look at the loathsome cunt that is George twat-in-the-hat Galloway. Opposed independence for Scotland as he was an international socialist whatever the fuck that means and then turned full on Billy Brit during BREXIT. Makes me glad he got his head kicked in. Ratbag. Im still of the opinion that Galloway doesn't care about anything or anyone, other than himself. He would align himself with whatever he thought would get him the most success, whatever that means to him. He is nothing but a self serving lying bastard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Denise Findlay has been made to resign from the SNP She tweeted that comparing Israel = Nazi was not anti semitism and aforesaid tweets were given to C4 She also donated, as have many others, to Neale Hanvey's crowdfunder after the SNP withdrew support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 hours ago, thplinth said: Just look at the loathsome cunt that is George twat-in-the-hat Galloway. Opposed independence for Scotland as he was an international socialist whatever the fuck that means and then turned full on Billy Brit during BREXIT. Makes me glad he got his head kicked in. Ratbag. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I see Wings is calling for Nicola Sturgeon to resign, one week out from a General Election Hmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Was there due to be constituency polls coming out soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, exile said: I see Wings is calling for Nicola Sturgeon to resign, one week out from a General Election Hmm It seems to be more to do with his strange obsession over gender status and things like that. In fact he seems more interested in that than independence these days. I used to read his stuff every day. Haven't done so for about two years, he's went completely nuts. Ignore him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aaid Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, exile said: I see Wings is calling for Nicola Sturgeon to resign, one week out from a General Election Hmm 4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Denise Findlay has been made to resign from the SNP She tweeted that comparing Israel = Nazi was not anti semitism and aforesaid tweets were given to C4 She also donated, as have many others, to Neale Hanvey's crowdfunder after the SNP withdrew support People need to get off Twitter and get out more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, aaid said: People need to get off Twitter and get out more. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mark frae Crieff said: I’ve no real interest in the election but it’s quite sad to see the left wing twitter folk creaming themselves over a multinational corporation campaigning on their behalf. Suppose that’s how it goes I also need to get out more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, ErsatzThistle said: It seems to be more to do with his strange obsession over gender status and things like that. In fact he seems more interested in that than independence these days. I used to read his stuff every day. Haven't done so for about two years, he's went completely nuts. Ignore him. Was it a strange obsession when he spoke about independence every day for years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, ErsatzThistle said: It seems to be more to do with his strange obsession over gender status and things like that. In fact he seems more interested in that than independence these days. I used to read his stuff every day. Haven't done so for about two years, he's went completely nuts. Ignore him. Yes, not worth wasting energy on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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