Goozay Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Well one exists and the other is a fiction so not the same at all. True dat. As they say in North London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I seen one of they police cars yesterday when I was going through Stamford Hill, never knew anything like that existed until yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I don't see anything wrong with the practice. policing is by consent anyway. Just don't go on fox news and make crazy shit up, especially when you're meant to be an expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Front page of Charlie Hebdo is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brant grebner Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 The whole thing has been a viral marketing stunt to boost the flagging readership of a pish French Viz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 The whole thing has been a viral marketing stunt to boost the flagging readership of a pish French Viz. During the freedom of expression march, the BBC's Tim wilcoxx is facing calls to be axed for saying "many critics though of Israel’s policy would suggest that the Palestinians suffer hugely at Jewish hands as well." to some Jewish lady , not sure why he brought it up mind you, i can't get the whole interview to see just the small clip contained below. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/01/12/the-bbcs-tim-wilcox-projects-the-last-two-hundred-years-of-european-anti-jewish-ideology-on-an-elderly-french-woman/ Someone also posted or tweeted a list of all the leaders attending the Rally, and all the laws and restrictions they've enacted on their own journalists. Plus aerial views of the staged photos of world leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 During the freedom of expression march, the BBC's Tim wilcoxx is facing calls to be axed for saying "many critics though of Israel’s policy would suggest that the Palestinians suffer hugely at Jewish hands as well." to some Jewish lady , not sure why he brought it up mind you, i can't get the whole interview to see just the small clip contained below. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/01/12/the-bbcs-tim-wilcox-projects-the-last-two-hundred-years-of-european-anti-jewish-ideology-on-an-elderly-french-woman/ Someone also posted or tweeted a list of all the leaders attending the Rally, and all the laws and restrictions they've enacted on their own journalists. Plus aerial views of the staged photos of world leaders. Jon Snow also made the same comparison in one of his tweets. The timing is all wrong in my opinion. They are valid points but need to be put across in the correct context. In terms of freedom of speech I think the Israeli press is pretty liberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 It was really inspiring to see all the world leaders link arms and lead the people at the front of the march in Paris. Oh no wait, they done it in a cordoned off street and it was all just a photo opportunity..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Jon Snow also made the same comparison in one of his tweets. The timing is all wrong in my opinion. They are valid points but need to be put across in the correct context. In terms of freedom of speech I think the Israeli press is pretty liberal. Israeli actions killed 16 journalists last year. Correction in the operation protective edge, not the calendar year just a few weeks. their own press highlighted this then got death threats. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/journalists-publication-newspaper this is deliberate targetting of journalists http://en.rsf.org/palestinian-terr-rwb-condemns-air-strikes-on-news-18-11-2012,43690.html Edited January 13, 2015 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 It was really inspiring to see all the world leaders link arms and lead the people at the front of the march in Paris. Oh no wait, they done it in a cordoned off street and it was all just a photo opportunity..... Yeah saw that myself. So many things are staged. Remember the scene in Iraq where they pulled down the statue of Saddam, completely stage-managed with actors and everything, most of the media reported the show without stating it was a show, same with all these pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 From a security point of view, hardly a shock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 From a security point of view, hardly a shock? You're right, Dave. And it could never have been any other way. It's the duplicity of the "World Leaders" that gets on my threepenny bits. They were never, ever going to walk with the masses in Paris. So what they have essentially done is to use the event as one big photo op. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Exactly , not justifying it. I'd assume all the security chiefs said no way . And yes the media deliberately twisted it. Who'd have thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 It was really inspiring to see all the world leaders link arms and lead the people at the front of the march in Paris. Oh no wait, they done it in a cordoned off street and it was all just a photo opportunity..... Jim Murphy must be even further ahead of the world leaders - can't see him in that picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Jim Murphy must be even further ahead of the world leaders - can't see him in that picture. He'll be jogging up the Champs Elysees with his 86 World Cup Platini France top on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 He'll be jogging up the Champs Elysees with his 86 World Cup Platini France top on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Lesley Riddoch spot on as usual "Nonetheless, our news values are inescapable. Last week, white, Christian French folk came first, French Jews came second, Africans and Arabs vied for a distant joint third. Are readers as blinkered and uncaring? Actually, I think not." http://www.scotsman.com/news/lesley-riddoch-sadly-we-are-not-all-charlie-1-3657764 Edited January 13, 2015 by Lamia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Yeah saw that myself. So many things are staged. Remember the scene in Iraq where they pulled down the statue of Saddam, completely stage-managed with actors and everything, most of the media reported the show without stating it was a show, same with all these pictures. Don't get me started. From a security point of view, hardly a shock? Technically, it was a war zone but it was only a statue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Technically, it was a war zone but it was only a statue. Nah sorry, stumped on that one. Point is (regardless of what is/isnt staged) that the umpteen security geezers were never ever going to allow 40 world leaders to march in such a public space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Lamia, saw that article yesterday, it is a good one. Nothing new in the media placing far greater value on western lives than those elsewhere, but still needed saying. On another issue, I have found it curious over the past day or so how just how annoyed many people get when I mention to them that, appalling and totally wholly unjustifiable as the attacks in Paris were, having looked into it, many of the cartoons published by the magazine over the past few years were clearly racist. It seems somehow to be heretical to recognise this (I've read umpteen attempts on various sites to 'contextualise' the cartoons over the past few days), the assumption being that I must therefore in some way, shape or form be saying that the attacks were justified or the fault of the journalists. Which I'm not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goozay Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Don't get me started. Seriously, don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I never realised there were so many terrorists marching together..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Lamia, saw that article yesterday, it is a good one. Nothing new in the media placing far greater value on western lives than those elsewhere, but still needed saying. On another issue, I have found it curious over the past day or so how just how annoyed many people get when I mention to them that, appalling and totally wholly unjustifiable as the attacks in Paris were, having looked into it, many of the cartoons published by the magazine over the past few years were clearly racist. It seems somehow to be heretical to recognise this (I've read umpteen attempts on various sites to 'contextualise' the cartoons over the past few days), the assumption being that I must therefore in some way, shape or form be saying that the attacks were justified or the fault of the journalists. Which I'm not. Annnnnd.......we have a winner. Spot on. Nobody mentioning money here either. 60k issues to 3m issues. I presume the mag will be donating vast sums to some sort of victims funds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Annnnnd.......we have a winner. Spot on. Nobody mentioning money here either. 60k issues to 3m issues. I presume the mag will be donating vast sums to some sort of victims funds? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Yes. Good to hear. How much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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