Ally Bongo Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, mariokempes56 said: I'm starting to consider that possibility or even likelihood. The UK is ##ked up beyond redemption, the false promises of bother sides are in tatters (we all know but then we are up with stuff, but if they renege on immigartion controls and free trade etc then I dread to imagine the carnage down south. Not to mention the complete subterfuge by the Tory party and the MSM that we will have to endure in the months ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I think we need to jump ship before the second English Civil War to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) Media should rethink coverage in wake of Brexit vote, says Justin Webb https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/jul/05/media-should-rethink-coverage-in-wake-of-brexit-vote-says-justin-webb " So to translate what Justin Webb said remain lost so we did not do our job right. " Edited July 5, 2016 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 1 hour ago, exile said: Media should rethink coverage in wake of Brexit vote, says Justin Webb https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/jul/05/media-should-rethink-coverage-in-wake-of-brexit-vote-says-justin-webb " So to translate what Justin Webb said remain lost so we did not do our job right. " I'm sure the Mail, Sun and Express would disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 3 hours ago, exile said: Media should rethink coverage in wake of Brexit vote, says Justin Webb https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/jul/05/media-should-rethink-coverage-in-wake-of-brexit-vote-says-justin-webb " So to translate what Justin Webb said remain lost so we did not do our job right. " 1 hour ago, Hertsscot said: I'm sure the Mail, Sun and Express would disagree. We have a huge problem within media channels in the UK where everything is covered with a deliberate bias (the newspapers) or a deliberate 'un-bias' (TV news). The newspapers spread propaganda, and the TV news is scared to hit people with hard questioning. It's difficult not to cast our minds back to the independence referendum, where it was demanded that the Yes campaign should give costing for every penny over the next 20 years, and compare it with the scandalous and absolutely uncosted lies lies that the media allowed the Leave campaign to use during the EU referendum. Something is rank in the UK. I can't figure out exactly what it is, but it feels that the whole country is deliberately being driven in a pre-determined direction by unknown forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) This article (written by a Scottish politics lecturer in New Zealand) is bang on the money IMO... Why has Scotland risen above the anti-immigrant mood that fuelled the Brexit vote? http://www.listener.co.nz/current-affairs/foreign-affairs/scotland-brexit-anti-immigrant/ Edited July 5, 2016 by Dave78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regenmann Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Er, 62% to 38% is not '2 to 1'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 On 04/07/2016 at 1:42 AM, Ally Bongo said: On one hand yes - on the other no. Davey Cameron continuing to be PM and the Tories retaining power was what this was all about so in that sense the manifesto bluff was worth it. It is all one big charade Surely everyone can now see that we are not going to leave the EU And our Democracy has always been a sham that's hopefully thinking from the optimists who also firmly believe Scotland will be independent in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Regenmann said: Er, 62% to 38% is not '2 to 1'. Quite right. It's 62:38. Also seen claims of 2 out of 5 people in Scotland voted leave. No they didn't. Over 1/3 of the electorate didn't bother. So 27/100 Ish voted leave. So more accurate to say 1 in 4 voted to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 40 minutes ago, flumax said: Quite right. It's 62:38. Also seen claims of 2 out of 5 people in Scotland voted leave. No they didn't. Over 1/3 of the electorate didn't bother. So 27/100 Ish voted leave. So more accurate to say 1 in 4 voted to leave. There's a separate - and important - question about why 1/3 of the population didn't vote but anyone who tries to include the number of non-voters in an attempt to either make their side seem larger or the opposition smaller is a total zoomed and should just be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 22 minutes ago, aaid said: There's a separate - and important - question about why 1/3 of the population didn't vote but anyone who tries to include the number of non-voters in an attempt to either make their side seem larger or the opposition smaller is a total zoomed and should just be ignored. It's only valid if there's a rule in pace like for the first devolution referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Quite a few YES voters popping up on social media saying they voted to leave the EU and would now vote No to Scottish independence if it meant staying in EU. Independence for Scotland then WE decide our EU membership. What the f##k is wrong with these people? How can they be so short sighted? ..........And Relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Och Aye said: Quite a few YES voters popping up on social media saying they voted to leave the EU and would now vote No to Scottish independence if it meant staying in EU. Independence for Scotland then WE decide our EU membership. What the f##k is wrong with these people? How can they be so short sighted? ..........And Relax. I really don't understand that viewpoint, it just seems counter-intuitive to me. I can fully understand someone who believes that Scotland should be out of both the EU and the UK, I don't agree with it but I can understand it. I can also understand someone for who remaining in the UK takes primacy over everything else. However, I can't understand who someone who professes to support Scottish Independence would actually oppose that on the basis of remaining in the EU. While there's been quite a few people in the press expressing that opinion - I've never heard anyone explain why they have come to that conclusion apart from Fishermen who have a very narrow self-interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 I dont think anyone has any idea of what's approaching Max Keiser has been spot on so far and this is frightening lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 On Saturday, July 09, 2016 at 0:55 PM, aaid said: However, I can't understand who someone who professes to support Scottish Independence would actually oppose that on the basis of remaining in the EU. From the survey I saw a greater percentage of SNP voters were opposed to EU membership than Labour or the LibDems. That's a lot of people, I guess there will be a few of them who'll tick that box... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 2 hours ago, Toepoke said: From the survey I saw a greater percentage of SNP voters were opposed to EU membership than Labour or the LibDems. That's a lot of people, I guess there will be a few of them who'll tick that box... A lot of SNP voted out to get the political unrest we have now.... some did it for socialist reasons ( the highest remain area in Scotland was East Ren/ also highest turnout for no in Indyref 1) I believe the remain vote in Scotland is actually a lot higher, ALL the ooters voted oot, however lots of SNP/yes voters didnae vote at all ( Glasgow turnout etc) I personally nearly abstained for the first time in my life, eventually voted Remain, I could not stand supporting Cameron etc.. and also i was in the huff a wee bit as we ( Scotland ) voted to give others control over our country and as such, we voted to be lead where others take us..... However it brings indy ref2 closer, in 3 years rather than 10, so ultimately should work out for the best for Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/european-countries-back-scotland-in-eu-poll-1-4174689 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Soooo Article 50 activated by end of March?... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37532364 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 This will take years, as Rossy will underline. An unelected Thathcher v2 has assumed the right to take us out? We are one ####ed up Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 31 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: An unelected Thathcher v2 has assumed the right to take us out? She's certainly showing great enthusiasm for it. "I voted remain, but..." is the Brexit version of "I'm a proud Scot, but..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 St Ruth, "Savior of the Union" has underwent quite a remarkable turnaround from her pro-EU rhetoric on the TV debates. Today she was saying that Scotland has to like it and lump it over Brexit because England says so. And she's on HIGNFY again in a couple of weeks. The London media fecking love her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Toepoke said: She's certainly showing great enthusiasm for it. "I voted remain, but..." is the Brexit version of "I'm a proud Scot, but..." Not sure what she can do. The referendum was lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Second Independence referendum before march 2019, I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 2 hours ago, andymac said: Not sure what she can do. The referendum was lost. not in Scotland. in case you missed it 62% Remain That was 62% to stay in Europe, i dont consider that losing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 May talks of a 'precious Union' but then denies any distinct political voice to Scotland - we are subsumed as just part of the mass UK electorate. As such, this seems to me to deny the significance of what "the Union" is - instead she acts as if the UK is a unitary state. In this sense she is a "unitarian" rather than a true unionist. The UK may well be "unitarian" for most purposes in practice, but that denies any romantic notion of bonding of partner nations that the Union is built on. There is a definite tension between unitarianism and unionism, and sooner or later I think the true unionists will lose out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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