New SNP leader

[Hertsscot]

Thought it was probably worth opening up a thread specifically on this.

Who do people think it will be?

Who do people think it should be?

[Och Aye]

1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said:

If your idea of a leader is someone that might actually take Scotland to Independence then there is only one candidate at Holyrood - it is as simple as that

Agree. The worry being young voters being put off simply because she fell into the trap of sharing her religious views. Next time the media go on about it hopefully she'll say my religion is a private matter. We need more atheists in politics.

[Hertsscot]

And if Kate doesn't stand...?

[hampden_loon2878]

I can’t emphasise how important is that the snp choose KF,, the fact the sturgeonites will put swinney in for two years until Flynn comes back from WM tells its own story,, 

 

Humza went off script and payed the price 

[hampden_loon2878]

3 hours ago, GilmourFan said:

Stephen Flynn, Mhairi Black or Kate Forbes.

The three outstanding candidates.

I'd back anyone who would deliver independence.

Black? Come on,, aye she has goon one liners,, Flynn I am now very sceptical of as him and swinney are in it together 

[Alibi]

Please not Swinney - he may be a "safe pair of hands" but if that's the level we're seeking would be better with Craig Gordon. I think he's being pushed by the mainstream media for a reason - namely that he's a safe pair of hands for the union in that he won't get us any nearer indy.  I've also heard Jenny Gilruth being mentioned - Kelly Given was on the radio this morning bigging her up which should probably tell you all you need to know - more wokeness and gender shite, and indy sidelined.

The logical choice would be Kate Forbes, if she wants the job, and I've been quite impressed by Steven Flynn at times and I think he'd be prepared to take a fairly aggressive stance on indy, although his current location might be a problem.

The first thing I'd ask any candidate is "define "woman".  That should give you a fair idea of who to eliminate from any sensible shortlist for an election for leader.

Rather a pity Ash Regan jumped ship.  She talks sense and her commitment to indy is genuine.  I voted for her last time & I still think I made the right choice, although a lot of people didn't rate her.  She was certainly better than Yousaf but the powers that be wanted a weak puppet.

As for Mhairi Black, please no.  Been a huge disappointment.

Edited April 30, 2024 by Alibi

[Orraloon]

15 minutes ago, Alibi said:

 

The first thing I'd ask any candidate is "define "woman".  That should give you a fair idea of who to eliminate from any sensible shortlist for an election for leader.

 

Why is that bit so important to you? I can't get my head around why such a minor issue has gained so much importance. 

This would be the worst possible time for Kate Forbes to become leader. She should bide her time until all the current pile of shyte has been through the fan. Hopefully she is smart enough to realise that she has plenty time on her side.

[Och Aye]

13 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

Why is that bit so important to you? I can't get my head around why such a minor issue has gained so much importance.

Because the establishment whipped it up into what people were constantly talking about. Keeping it continuously in the news to batter fuck out the SNP whilst not mentioning the cross party support. 

[Orraloon]

11 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Only 1 week to get 100 nominations

Rigged election No2

A week is plenty time to get 100 nominations for any serious contender. Even I could get 100 nominations in a week, and nobody likes me.

[YesTA]

26 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

A week is plenty time to get 100 nominations for any serious contender. Even I could get 100 nominations in a week, and nobody likes me.

Il give you my vote.

All seriousness, Kate Forbes for me.

[StirlingEgg]

31 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

A week is plenty time to get 100 nominations for any serious contender. Even I could get 100 nominations in a week, and nobody likes me.

I'd consider voting for you 🤣 

I agree with what you've said above, I don’t get why folk get so drawn in and riled by this stuff, even if I've reservations about some aspects of it all. 

[PapofGlencoe]

my own personal view is that we need to just try and forget the last few years where some serious politicians felt they couldn't say children shouldn't be taking puberty blockers, men can be in women's sports and people can literally change sex.  The tide has turned on it and no need to bring it back up.  let people be that want to live their lives in an unorthodox manner, good on them and move on.   No need to bring their lives up at every opportunity to satisfy some narcissists on both "sides" of that debate.

it's a topic done to death in many european countries and north america.  not unique to us.  move on.

 

 

[PapofGlencoe]

to add, on the topic.  I'm for Flynn but seen as he's out I'd go Swinney for now. Unless someone else comes forward and gives us something to shout about.

Forbes doesn't do it for me, I had her third last time.  I just don't see what others are seeing but fair enough.

 

[Squirrelhumper]

20 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

If your idea of a leader is someone that might actually take Scotland to Independence then there is only one candidate at Holyrood - it is as simple as that

Agreed - has to be her.

[Squirrelhumper]

2 hours ago, Orraloon said:

Why is that bit so important to you? I can't get my head around why such a minor issue has gained so much importance. 

I'm not sure it's minor issue, the fact that we have somehow managed to get a coalition that were intent on giving puberty blockers out like sweets was a major issue for many ( i know it was for me). As per, they've since had to backtrack. Through in legislation with severe lack of any meaningful research so they can be "progressive". 

No surprise that the highest % of kids transitioning or wanting to transition were from deprived areas. These kids up until recently had access to puberty blockers

How the Scottish government managed to get so entrenched in this with the Greens wagging their tail is scary and tells me the SG were more intent on being in power back then than running an effective government. 

If a man decides he wants to be a woman then he can batter in but the SG's obsession with children being allowed to make that decision so early in their lives was inexcusable. 

[vanderark14]

9 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

When she says "there would also be additions to our membership - not sure they would be welcomed" it was the perfect opportunity for someone using a William McIlvanney accent to say "Do you mean people that want Independence"

 

 

Another idiot who isn;t serious about independence unless its on their own terms. 

[TDYER63]

Someone who only a year ago ruled himself out saying new talent was needed does not inspire me with confidence.
IMO John Swinney is either under immense pressure from certain colleagues to put himself forward , or he is allowing his ego to be stroked , neither are a good reason to take on this responsibility.
I actually like John Swinney as a person, but he is not strong enough.

In the interview Ally ( I think) posted, Stephen Flynn did not sound convincing at all at supporting Swinney. Sounded a bit too ‘script like’ than passionate. Makes me think not only is pressure being put on Swinney to stand but pressure is being put on MP’s and MSP’s to nominate him. 

There is not one person I feel totally confident about but if she is on the list then Forbes will get my vote again. . 

 

[TDYER63]

1 hour ago, Orraloon said:

A week is plenty time to get 100 nominations for any serious contender. Even I could get 100 nominations in a week, and nobody likes me.

😂 if your manifesto includes allowing one SSC ticket transfer per campaign without being put on Harvesters Row then you will get my vote too. 

[exile]

10 hours ago, Alibi said:

 

The first thing I'd ask any candidate is "define "woman".  That should give you a fair idea of who to eliminate from any sensible shortlist for an election for leader.

 

So you don't want indy sidelined, but your first question of a candidate would be nothing to do with independence at all. 

[duncan II]

9 hours ago, exile said:

So you don't want indy sidelined, but your first question of a candidate would be nothing to do with independence at all. 

To be fair, it would be a strong indicator if the person was a sane human being or one more concerned with being seen as bein "progressive" (a word now lost meaning) and terrified of upsetting what is effectively a cult.

[phart]

42 minutes ago, duncan II said:

To be fair, it would be a strong indicator if the person was a sane human being or one more concerned with being seen as bein "progressive" (a word now lost meaning) and terrified of upsetting what is effectively a cult.

So we shouldn't have a leader that follows a dogma?

 

[duncan II]

23 minutes ago, phart said:

So we shouldn't have a leader that follows a dogma?

 

One that lets that dogma override the preferred direction of travel of the majority of the citizens, no.

[phart]

8 minutes ago, duncan II said:

One that lets that dogma override the preferred direction of travel of the majority of the citizens, no.

How do you ascertain the "preferred direction of travel of the majority of citizens"?

 

More poll data about the election. https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/john-swinney-preferred-snp-voters-wider-public-more-likely-say-kate-forbes-would-be-best-first-minister

Edited May 1, 2024 by phart

[phart]

The whole point of representative democracy is that we have representatives who are embodied with the will of their constituents. Who then vote on things.

 

So when the majority of the parliament votes on something then you have the "preferred direction of travel of the majority of citizens" . Rather than polling everyone about everything all the time.

 

However whipping up a moral crisis and engaging in culture wars is a political tactic. As we've seen here on how folk think it is of such importance it should be the first question asked.

 

Personally I hope Forbes have the same faith in herself as others do and takes the job cause then we're going to see how little difference it makes, when sh'e suddenly under the spotlight in a completely unfair way.

[Squirrelhumper]

11 hours ago, exile said:

So you don't want indy sidelined, but your first question of a candidate would be nothing to do with independence at all. 

Or maybe he wants proof that the candidate is actually serious on indy and won't spend valuable time on unworkable, unpopular,  virtue signalling policies?

Edited May 1, 2024 by Squirrelhumper