wheres the pies Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Away and post on the Britain First forum. bit harsh there with that comment it's widely knowing that Isis has been tagging along with the genuine refugees see that's the what's wrong with some people the minute you start to speak out your automatically branded a racist which is completely wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Is it widely known? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Facebook awash with 'Pray for Paris' pish. Who the feck are you praying to because if there was a God shit like this wouldn't be happening. Praying,not a solution, just another part of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Is it widely known? It's about as widely known as the 20000 - or whatever made up number it was - polish immigrants in Poole and Bournemouth, which was the last bit of xenophobic push he was posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I'm sure it's a possibility but yeah I can't see how it can be widely known or proven that Isis members are crossing into Europe moonlighting as refugees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wibble Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I don't follow his story at all. Did you? ... unless it was a scam tae get a new iphone having dropped it in the cludgie. (To be fair, his first language isnae English.) ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 That's a bit harsh, it is a possibility. Plus the tone is hardly menacing. There's an SDL demo today in Monkton "protesting" over a hotel that is temporarily housing 150 refugees. It's ill informed garbage like saying ISIS are smuggling in terrorists posing as refugees that stokes up the bile that these racist morons feed off. Even if it were true, does that make any difference. What about terrorists posing as students or tourists or whatever. Stop everyone who looks a bit foreign? Of course, the most likely origin of these terrorists are that they will be native born French of North African origin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Saying it is a possibility to seed cells into mass migration isn't the same as posting Britain First nonsense. It is a possibility, just not the 500k that was being thrown about at the time it became a story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wibble Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I'm boycotting curry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 bit harsh there with that comment it's widely knowing that Isis has been tagging along with the genuine refugees see that's the what's wrong with some people the minute you start to speak out your automatically branded a racist which is completely wrongSee this is where I think people start to get a bit hysterical about all this. Who exactly has said that they are tagging along with refugees other than people on FB? Are governments saying that?! Because if it's that obvious then they can identify them surely. Regardless, ISIS have money and resources. They can put people on to flights to their destination if they want. If their cells are so important to their cause then they don't need to leave things to chance in risking their lives crossing seas on a dingy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) There's an SDL demo today in Monkton "protesting" over a hotel that is temporarily housing 150 refugees. It's ill informed garbage like saying ISIS are smuggling in terrorists posing as refugees that stokes up the bile that these racist morons feed off. Even if it were true, does that make any difference. What about terrorists posing as students or tourists or whatever. Stop everyone who looks a bit foreign? Of course, the most likely origin of these terrorists are that they will be native born French of North African origin. The problem is there is no way to tell if it's ill-informed or not. This is just an argument based on pathos. It's a meta-argument for me. Should be allowed to discuss it openly without labels and prejudice. the 2nd sentence yeah read back earlier in the thread and you'll see who first broached the origin of french terrorists. So pointless lecturing me on that, see i am able to cogitate both arguments without mindlessly lavelling/dismissing one. As someone once remarked. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.". No one is asking you to accept it merely to entertain it without prejudice. Edited November 14, 2015 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 The problem is there is no way to tell if it's ill-informed or not. This is just an argument based on pathos. It's a meta-argument for me. Should be allowed to discuss it openly without labels and prejudice. the 2nd sentence yeah read back earlier in the thread and you'll see who first broached the origin of french terrorists. So pointless lecturing me on that, see i am able to cogitate both arguments without mindlessly lavelling/dismissing one. As someone once remarked. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.". No one is asking you to accept it merely to entertain it without prejudice. I wasn't having a go at you but at the original poster. I get exactly what you say and in a ideal world... Problem is, this form of unfounded speculation does nothing other than demonise refugees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 It's about as widely known as the 20000 - or whatever made up number it was - polish immigrants in Poole and Bournemouth, which was the last bit of xenophobic push he was posting. just going by what l was being told by my polish friends so tell me do you live in the area do you have first hand knowledge of the amount of poles in Dorset ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I'm boycotting curry. Quite right - auld hag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) I wasn't having a go at you but at the original poster. I get exactly what you say and in a ideal world... Problem is, this form of unfounded speculation does nothing other than demonise refugees. Fair enough but i think still a bit rough, I totally understand where you're coming from with regards to this sort of speculation fueling fires, but one dude speculating and the way it was said wasn't giving me that vibe. So felt a bit harsh to say British first (racists) rather than just say come one mate that might be true, but we know nothing and that sort of speculation can be used negatively. Certainly not trying to have a go at you. Edited November 14, 2015 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frazzle Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 no doubt politicians will use this as an opportunity for more wars of terror,stopping the flow of refugees who desperately need a safe haven,shocking news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 just going by what l was being told by my polish friends so tell me do you live in the area do you have first hand knowledge of the amount of poles in Dorset ? Some of my best friends are Poles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brant grebner Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 just going by what l was being told by my polish friends so tell me do you live in the area do you have first hand knowledge of the amount of poles in Dorset ? There are about 150k households in Dorset, approximately two thirds of households have a garden and 90 per cent have clothes lines rather than one of they spinny things. That's 90,000 and many of them will have more one pole to hold the line up. By my calculations there are probably 110,000 poles in Dorset at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 There are about 150k households in Dorset, approximately two thirds of households have a garden and 90 per cent have clothes lines rather than one of they spinny things. That's 90,000 and many of them will have more one pole to hold the line up. By my calculations there are probably 110,000 poles in Dorset at the moment. You missed out flags and goals though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAS Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 no doubt politicians will use this as an opportunity for more wars of terror,stopping the flow of refugees who desperately need a safe haven,shocking news Happening already. Syrian passport found on one of the suicide bombers. It was either that or they knew of the risk these French nationals held but they went dark... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I wasn't having a go at you but at the original poster. I get exactly what you say and in a ideal world... Problem is, this form of unfounded speculation does nothing other than demonise refugees. I did ask if you wished to discuss this as you seem to see all those crossing the med as whiter than white. Where as I am open to the probability of Isis using them as cover to get there people in to Europe more easily. Remember they don't value human life like we do so if some of there sleepers die in the crossing they won't care as they know there are more willing to do the job. To stick our head in the sand and not believe that some of those crossing is almost as dangerous as thinking there all terrorists. I am simply saying we have to be open to the probability that some sleepers got in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Happening already. Syrian passport found on one of the suicide bombers. It was either that or they knew of the risk these French nationals held but they went dark... beggars the question why would a suicide bomber need a passport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I did ask if you wished to discuss this as you seem to see all those crossing the med as whiter than white. Where as I am open to the probability of Isis using them as cover to get there people in to Europe more easily. Remember they don't value human life like we do so if some of there sleepers die in the crossing they won't care as they know there are more willing to do the job. To stick our head in the sand and not believe that some of those crossing is almost as dangerous as thinking there all terrorists. I am simply saying we have to be open to the probability that some sleepers got in As has been pointed out by a number of others, France has a significant Muslim population, a relatively large number of whom would appear to be radicalized given the numbers travelling to fight in Syria (France's policy towards the veil and its imperial baggage in Algeria and Syria being part of the mix). There is no necessity to demonize refugees in order to explain an Islamist presence in Paris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Happening already. Syrian passport found on one of the suicide bombers. It was either that or they knew of the risk these French nationals held but they went dark... beggars the question why would a suicide bomber need a passport? Especially when they burned them beforehand ? http://m.france24.com/en/20151114-paris-attacks-islamic-state-group-claim-terrorism-jihadists-syria?ns_campaign=reseaux_sociaux&ns_source=twitter&ns_mchannel=social&ns_linkname=editorial&aef_campaign_ref=partage_aef&aef_campaign_date=2015-11-14&dlvrit=66745 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 beggars the question why would a suicide bomber need a passport? Exactly, mate. This political propaganda through social media is pathetic. How naive do they really think we are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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