Indyref 2 (2)

[Toepoke]

4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Stewart McDonald is most definitely an MI5/MI6 plant along with Lloyd .... Wishart too probably although his motivation is keeping on the devolution gravy train

[PapofGlencoe]

Stewart MI6donald has been on some gravy train trips and liked the comfort. 

Nothing against him on a personal level but his priority is not scottish independence anymore and he shouldn't take votes under false pretences.  Very poor in my view.

[Malcolm]

Apparently resigning tomorrow 

[Ally Bongo]

What a binfire the SNP at Holyrood is

Rather resign than do a deal with another Independence party

Almost certain now that at least one SNP MSP will vote to bring down the Government rather than have Shona Robison lead it

Holyrood election it is - with all of the parties skint

[King Of Paisley]

Humza away both as SNP leader and FM according to The National.

Great opportunity to rid the party of the woo woo mob led by Fiona fucking Robertson, the Sturgeon mafia and get Forbes in 

[Ally Bongo]

9 minutes ago, King Of Paisley said:

Humza away both as SNP leader and FM according to The National.

Great opportunity to rid the party of the woo woo mob led by Fiona fucking Robertson, the Sturgeon mafia and get Forbes in 

The Greens wont support Forbes as FM so the Government would need to fold first

[Ally Bongo]

39 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

The Greens wont support Forbes as FM so the Government would need to fold first

Unless of course she is elected leader of the SNP and enough Labour/Tory MSPs support her as FM because of;

(a) Protocol

(b) Neither wanting an early Holyrood election due to finances

(c) Certainly don't want to be portrayed as causing an early Holyrood election

[Caledonian Craig]

2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

 

Rather resign than do a deal with another Independence party

 

Did you see the terms? Alba - a party with microscopic share of the Scottish electorate was asking SNP to stand down their candidates in seats Alba were contesting. Why would you even bother? It is signing away seats that the SNP fought long and hard to win over the years so that an Alba candidate can stand in their place and win inconsequential amount of votes? Why?

[exile]

Strange if Yousaf himself turns out to be the one that pulled the plug on the Greens agreement and then pulled the plug on himself. Not brought down by the unionist opposition (never mind the electorate), but just the threats of the opposition. Hard to imagine either of his predecessors doing that.

[hampden_loon2878]

5 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said:

Did you see the terms? Alba - a party with microscopic share of the Scottish electorate was asking SNP to stand down their candidates in seats Alba were contesting. Why would you even bother? It is signing away seats that the SNP fought long and hard to win over the years so that an Alba candidate can stand in their place and win inconsequential amount of votes? Why?

Was that actually true though? I read it wasn’t 

[Hertsscot]

I flew out to Riga for a few days last week, a lot's happened on a mini-break! Whatever Scotland has suffered as being part of the Union cannot be compared to the horrors that the Latvians experienced last century. I was very moved going round the Museum of the Occupation which recorded their suffering under the Nazis and the Soviets. Whatever happens this week, my takeaway is that independence comes when enough people want it and are prepared to act on it.

[Northern Light]

7 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Unless of course she is elected leader of the SNP and enough Labour/Tory MSPs support her as FM because of;

(a) Protocol

(b) Neither wanting an early Holyrood election due to finances

(c) Certainly don't want to be portrayed as causing an early Holyrood election

I don't know about their finances but I would imagine Labour would be desperate for an election as the only major party that will gain seats (and maybe the FM itself). The Tories would lose a lot of seats and would be the smallest of the three main parties by far so can't imagine they would want an election although not sure how they spin supporting a minority SNP Government.

The only thing for sure is that there are a lot of twists and turns to come this week.

[Squirrelhumper]

8 hours ago, King Of Paisley said:

Humza away both as SNP leader and FM according to The National.

Great opportunity to rid the party of the woo woo mob led by Fiona fucking Robertson, the Sturgeon mafia and get Forbes in 

Ideal scenario, actually get the party back to what it is meant to do instead of virtue signalling politics which more often than not turn into an absolute shambles anytime they bring in any legislation. 

[Squirrelhumper]

8 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

The Greens wont support Forbes as FM so the Government would need to fold first

Needs must. Anything that lot oppose i'm all for. 

[Caledonian Craig]

59 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Was that actually true though? I read it wasn’t 

And it has been reported it was in various media sources. I have not read any reports to the contrary.

[AlfieMoon]

4 minutes ago, Northern Light said:

I don't know about their finances but I would imagine Labour would be desperate for an election as the only major party that will gain seats (and maybe the FM itself). The Tories would lose a lot of seats and would be the smallest of the three main parties by far so can't imagine they would want an election although not sure how they spin supporting a minority SNP Government.

The only thing for sure is that there are a lot of twists and turns to come this week.

Exactly. Anyone thinking that unionist parties can’t muster deep pockets to see off the SNP here is wishful thinking. They’ve been awaiting this opportunity 17 years. 

Labour have the momentum and will be the big winners here in a GE.

Lots of twists and turns to come like you say though. I do wonder if we could end up in some NI style stalemate where WM have to intervene to run SG business. They’d love that! 
 

The reason I say that is that if nobody will back SNP in a minority admin (if they win most seats m) after a GE - it might also be tricky for the unionist parties. While in Scotland I’m sure the Lab/Con/Lib ‘better together’ crew would love a coaltion at Holyrood to see off the SNP, their Westminster bosses won’t allow Labour to go near the Tories. Realistically, Labour prob need enough seats between them, Libs and Greens to form a coalition. Otherwise, I don’t know how the numbers work for anyone but there’s a long way to go before we get to that point. 

[hampden_loon2878]

Well those who voted humza in were warned, now hopefully they see the bin fire sturgeon has left, humza seems a ok lad just hadn’t it in him, never had or will. 
 

best case scenario, KF elected, have a WM election first then onto a holyrodd election. Snp remain biggest party but will be a minority.

worst case, holyrood election called imminently 

[Orraloon]

6 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said:

Did you see the terms? Alba - a party with microscopic share of the Scottish electorate was asking SNP to stand down their candidates in seats Alba were contesting. Why would you even bother? It is signing away seats that the SNP fought long and hard to win over the years so that an Alba candidate can stand in their place and win inconsequential amount of votes? Why?

Have you seen the terms? I don't think you have.

[Orraloon]

If he resigns he shouldn't step down immediately. He should say he is staying on as FM until a new SNP leader can be elected, the same as Nicola did. That pretty much nullifies the Tory VONC, although they would probably still want to have it, just to add more humiliation onto to Humza. But the result would be largely irrelevant. Then Labour need to gamble on whether to go ahead with their VONC. Do the Greens and Ash want to bring down the whole SG? Is this really a good time for an election for any of the parties? Not the Tories, that's for sure.

[phart]

17 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

Have you seen the terms? I don't think you have.

They wanted to dictate what SNP priority policies should be. Now you might agree with what the priority policies should be, and if you do then ALBA is a great place for your vote.

I can see why other folk disagreed though.

 

I hope, if able, Forbes takes over folk see it won't make much difference on the big issue of independence.

The gradualist approach was the correct approach. Everything was too entenched you need time for the actual population to shift , Brexit might have been a catalysing event to change people's minds pretty ropey though. If impatience had ruled the day and we somehow got another referendum, again there is no mechanism for this outside being given permission but let's just pretend, it would have been lost as well.

 

Obviously the current FM wasn't up to the job but neither is Forbes, some anachronistic product of Oxbridge and Edinburgh. She's smart will she even want the job at the current state of affairs?

[Hertsscot]

Lot of Tory glee on X at the moment. Seem to be positioning themselves as the Common Sense party. That'll be the same common sense that led to the election of Johnson, Truss and Sunak, wasted a fortune on HS2, and decided to wreck the UK economy by leaving our largest trading block.

[LoganRoy]

Goodbye, good riddance and get to fuck. 

He should never darken Holyrood's dooe ever again.

 

[King Of Paisley]

29 minutes ago, Hertsscot said:

Lot of Tory glee on X at the moment. Seem to be positioning themselves as the Common Sense party. That'll be the same common sense that led to the election of Johnson, Truss and Sunak, wasted a fortune on HS2, and decided to wreck the UK economy by leaving our largest trading block.

DRoss claiming the Tories saw off Sturgeon 😀😀😀

[Och Aye]

33 minutes ago, Hertsscot said:

Lot of Tory glee on X at the moment. 

Shows you how thick people can be. Many regarded him as a weak leader incapable of getting Scotland anywhere near independence. Are they wanting a strong competent SNP leader? The yoons are a strange lot.

[Och Aye]

Press conference at 12 apparently.