ErsatzThistle Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, mcguffin said: Keeping possession under pressure? They looked uncomfortable on the ball and Ukraine knew it. We should have been working the ball up the park instead of pissing around in our own half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, DAVIDB46 said: He offers much more than billy gilmour though Not in the role Gilmour's expected to play he isn't. Also we need to keep in mind, Gilmour is only 20 - younger players typically have less constancy than older players. He will hopefully learn from this. I'd expect Ryan Jack would've started ahead of him, had he been available, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) Och I'm over it already - Qatar is a plastic world cup and fuck spending thousands to camp in a portacabin in November in the middle of a desert drinking Coke in a country where analisation is illegal anyway. I'll be watching the business end of Strictly hosted in Blackpool by then counting down to my Christmas train coming out. Edited June 1, 2022 by ThistleWhistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templeton_Peck Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 First goal was massive and we conceded it so easily with rookie defending. We were already riding our luck. We start too many big games too nervous and too long to get going. This has to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scot1 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 1 McTominay should never play as a centre back again 2 We cannot play 2 in central midfield against good teams This at the very least is what Clarke should take from tonight Edited June 1, 2022 by Scot1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Clarke takes the blame for that.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, exile said: Disappointing to go out at home that way. Did the occasion get to the team? Shouldn't have. we've done well in some must win games recently I think the 'Ukraineness' of the occasion got to them, not the occasion of a world cup play off. You could see the body language of our players was just not right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVIDB46 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said: Not in the role Gilmour's expected to play he isn't. Also we need to keep in mind, Gilmour is only 20 - younger players typically have less constancy than older players. He will hopefully learn from this. I'd expect Ryan Jack would've started ahead of him, had he been available, though. Gilmour will be this generations eoin Jess where he will be termed young forever more and suddenly he is 29 what age does his age stop allowing him a free pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I knew that this would be a banana skin, in the pub and what the fuck is Souness looking sad for, his team got through! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Souness is an utter bellend with next to zero knowledge of our national team, why the fuck was he suddenly drafted in to this game? Although Kris "In terms of" boyd is a close second on the bellend scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Debian said: Clarke takes the blame for that.  Who do you want him replaced with then ? That quite obviously is where you were going with that. 2 minutes ago, DAVIDB46 said: Gilmour will be this generations eoin Jess where he will be termed young forever more and suddenly he is 29 what age does his age stop allowing him a free pass What utter pish. We get it. You're upset Gilmour turned down Rangers but I'm afraid you'll just have to get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said: I knew that this would be a banana skin, in the pub and what the fuck is Souness looking sad for, his team got through! He probably bet on them to win 3-0 and got correct score wrong in his bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Scot1 said: 1 McTominay should never play again 2 We cannot play 2 in central midfield against good teams This at the very least is what Clarke should take tonight Fixed that for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 The big problem with our forward play is that usually our players want too much time on the ball and our finishing technique is pretty poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I really thought we'd left performances like that behind us. That was complete and utter fkin PISH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVIDB46 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, ErsatzThistle said: Who do you want him replaced with then ? That quite obviously is where you were going with that. What utter pish. We get it. You're upset Gilmour turned down Rangers but I'm afraid you'll just have to get over it. Not sure where you get I am a rangers fan from , but nothing changes in that he vastly overrated and lacks the awareness both defensively and in an attacking sense . Â I will watch his next loan move with interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, DAVIDB46 said: Gilmour will be this generations eoin Jess where he will be termed young forever more and suddenly he is 29 what age does his age stop allowing him a free pass Central midfielders tend to reach their peak around age 25 and their regular minutes years are between 24 and 30 (at the top level). Gilmour is still four years away from that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 End of the day Clarke started pretty much every player people wanted to see. Hickey came in....and struggled. Gilmour just couldn't get into it. McTominay started in position he's started in for vast majority of last 18 months. Dykes was terrible and really has outlived his use, should not be starting key games anymore. Adams tried his best and will chip in with goals but again on periphery of game. Robbo looked like he sunk 10 pints in last 48 hours...oh wait. Tierney big miss tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVIDB46 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Tartan Chris said: End of the day Clarke started pretty much every player people wanted to see. Hickey came in....and struggled. Gilmour just couldn't get into it. McTominay started in position he's started in for vast majority of last 18 months. Dykes was terrible and really has outlived his use, should not be starting key games anymore. Adams tried his best and will chip in with goals but again on periphery of game. Robbo looked like he sunk 10 pints in last 48 hours...oh wait. Tierney big miss tonight. That’s a pretty decent honest summary of the situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Tartan Chris said: Hickey came in....and struggled First half without a doubt he was poor. Second half he came into it and was more confident. Hanley is the one player I'm starting to give up on. Just how many more chances do we give this guy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, ErsatzThistle said: First half without a doubt he was poor. Second half he came into it and was more confident. Hanley is the one player I'm starting to give up on. Just how many more chances do we give this guy ? We have other options to at least try out. Like McKenna and Souttar. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I thought Ukraine would be rusty but they looked fresh.  Scotland looked like we were playing internationals in June after an 11 month season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said: Tactically inept in the first half, too many players simply didn't turn up, too many gaps in defence. Craig Gordon kept it from being 3-0 by half-time. Ukraine were there for the taking tonight - that's the annoying thing. Their keeper looked awful, but we barely tested him. As was said in commentary, put the set plays towards the six yard box with how uncomfortable their keeper was - but we simply didn't do it. We were playing high crosses into the box with no-one who was realistically going to win the ball in air - only Dykes of our attacking players had a chance of winning his and he was gone by half-time. Our two biggest weaknesses, centre-backs and strikers, combined to ensure we wouldn't win tonight. This feels like deja vu from the Czech Republic and Croatia games last summer: simply gave up too many good chances by being too open at the back, meaning our midfield had no hope of attempting to control the play, and couldn't score when we got chances. You cannot beat decent teams like that. What next? Two games against Armenia and Ireland away. If we're any good, we should get seven points minimum from them. Armenia are typically a Pot 5 side - the sort we've traditionally dropped points against - and Ireland aren't a good side on paper right now - although have gone eight unbeaten (including home draws against Serbia, Portugal and Belgium). Ukraine were never there for the taking ; even from the perspective that all their players were comfortable on the ball , at times they went through us like the proverbial hot knife through butter - i agree with the defence and forwards being pish - its been this way for a while - usually our midfield has been enough to bail us out, and our full backs of course -aside from Adams and Dykes being way out of their depth - we;re carrying at least 1 passenger when they're both on the field McGinns header summed it up for me ; one mans bad luck is anothers bad technique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Just now, bigfingers said: We have other options to at least try out. Like McKenna and Souttar. Aye, those two should definitely be given starts. I'm sure big Hanley is a genuinely good bloke and he certainly always looks proud as a lion to play for Scotland but I think he is a huge liability. Other teams do their homework and know he is our weakest link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Who do you want him replaced with then ? That quite obviously is where you were going with that. What utter pish. We get it. You're upset Gilmour turned down Rangers but I'm afraid you'll just have to get over it. A manager can take the blame without losing his job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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