ParisInAKilt Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, Mox said: Not a bad night up here, we've done our bit but the real tragedy is these northern towns voting labour, my solidarity with the English working classes fades day by day Well if Labour have abandoned the working class in Scotland (as they have) why would you expect the English working class to stay with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Thoughts with the journos at The Herald, The Scotsman and and the Daily Record. They will be mighty upset at the SNP's strong showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: The UK voted to leave? Scotland should have another referendum though and yes could remind everyone at every opposition of better together pish The whole point is now though that Scotland has a far, far different political view from the restof the UK. A whole host of recent election results show that and the Brexit vote showed it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 How can the SNP convert their dominance in the polls and turn it into a majority for independence ? I would love to see it but the polls tell us different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: The whole point is now though that Scotland has a far, far different political view from the restof the UK. A whole host of recent election results show that and the Brexit vote showed it too. I don’t disagree but the UK should leave the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I have voted Labour all my life. However down her they view is the Labour Party is London Centric and also dominated by middle class professional student types. Its hard to shake off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, ParisInAKilt said: I don’t disagree but the UK should leave the EU Yes I agree with that. Let Brexit go ahead as this GE was the chance for people to throw a spanner in the works and they chose not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just when you thought Gove couldn't be anymore of a fucking weasel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, Mox said: Not a bad night up here, we've done our bit but the real tragedy is these northern towns voting labour, my solidarity with the English working classes fades day by day I should say Tory rather, apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Struggling to find cause for celebration. Good result for the SNP on paper but it feels moot considering the whopping majority the tories got. Dreadful result. We are really in for it now. Does independence feel any more attainable as a result of last night. It all just feels a bit hollow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, EddardStark said: How can the SNP convert their dominance in the polls and turn it into a majority for independence ? I would love to see it but the polls tell us different. Latest poll had Yes at 46% and No at 47% so it is very tight. Now the coming weeks we will have BJ denying Scotland an IndyRef2 and then (perhaps) Brexit happening. That can only serve to bring mote people on board the Yes bus. And all of that before the nightmare of Brexit and all it will do to harm the country kicks in to fuel the Yes vote further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonny79 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 41 minutes ago, EddardStark said: How can the SNP convert their dominance in the polls and turn it into a majority for independence ? I would love to see it but the polls tell us different. Don't forget the 2014 referendum showed 10% in favour of scotland not to be independent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Bonny79 said: Don't forget the 2014 referendum showed 10% in favour of scotland not to be independent. Just a 6% swing required then. At my local Polling station there was noticeably a lot more younger folk than usual and definately seemed busier. Edited December 13, 2019 by Och Aye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said: I am gutted about the size of margin we lost by in banff and buchan i never seen that coming😢 local activists tried their hardest here aswel B&B will soon learn, once bojo the monkey and his mates ignore them during Brexit they'll be greetin like fuck and pining for the SNP again. Bittersweet morning overall. Seeing england vote so overwhelmingly for tory is sad but scotland being mostly yellow is pleasing. The SNP have to get on this now. Theres a prime minister and cabinet who genuinely dont care for scotland or it's people. If the SNP dont gain independence at the next referendum, they never will. On another note, northern ireland has a nationalist majority for the first time ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 A lovely little picture just for kumnio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: A lovely little picture just for kumnio Don’t care mate, she is gone, I will happily look at her puss all day today, my grin is bigger than a Cheshire Cat 😀. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I genuinely don’t understand why people are surprised at the results in England, a Tory majority was nailed on, I couldn’t see anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 42 minutes ago, kumnio said: I genuinely don’t understand why people are surprised at the results in England, a Tory majority was nailed on, I couldn’t see anything else. You're right but it's always quite shocking to see swathes of working class towns vote in Tories, no matter how normalised it's become over the last few elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 58 minutes ago, kumnio said: I genuinely don’t understand why people are surprised at the results in England, a Tory majority was nailed on, I couldn’t see anything else. No idea either - Stoke has been nailed on Tory since Brexit which is bat shit mental in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, thplinth said: Struggling to find cause for celebration. Good result for the SNP on paper but it feels moot considering the whopping majority the tories got. Dreadful result. We are really in for it now. Does independence feel any more attainable as a result of last night. It all just feels a bit hollow. I'm the same - SNP plan seems to be to ask again but really nicely this time. I have a bit of hope though in that they weren't daft enough to discuss a plan B last night but that obviously presumes there is one. On the other hand Boris can play to the galleries by telling us to piss off and folk down south would lap that right up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said: Straight to the wank bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: And SNP hold in Ayrshire Central. Would have been a travesty if Whiteford never kept her seat. Lovely to see Ayrshire back to being all SNP again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I couldn’t vote for that Labour Party so can hardly have a go at the English for doing the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 A great result for SNP - really did fear it as going to be a pretty poor night. Overall, I'm also happy there's going to be a resolution to brexit. Was blatantly obvious England wanted it done and another hung parliament or a Labour government would have dragged this bullshit on for years but with an eventual brexit anyway. I'm not happy about it but at the same time, people need to see the consequences of their political decisions - for good and bad. From the politicians all the way through to the media, brexit has been an utter disgrace and people have been accepting of the lies and the bullshit. This is a democracy and the electorate have to take responsibility for, and accept consequences of, their political decisions. Been clear for some time England intend to see this all the way to the bitter end before they'll maybe realise how they've been played. Doesn't have to be this way in Scotland and campaign for another indyref will no doubt gather pace especially once brexit is triggered in a few months. Still choppy waters ahead - Salmond trial next year and if we need to go into 2021 election, SNP have a pretty tough job on their hands given the public perception of devolved Education and Health briefs. If Tories had any sense, they'd support a snap indyref because I genuinely think it would be very tight if held soon. However, they refuse indyref all the way through to 2021 and it makes that election easier for SNP who will make it into a referendum debate. The longer Tories/Scottish Labour refuse a referendum the better it is for Yes IMO. The Wings mob want it tomorrow and that's a mistake. The target should still be getting Yes into the 60s and that's still some way away if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 To top off a great night for the north east, kensington elect a brocher as a tory MP, i am pretty sure har dads a snp councillor 🙈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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