Malcolm Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Who would your first choice be.... assuming everyone fit.... for the next game.... mcgregor tierney. Souttar. McKenna. Robertson McGregor McGinn Armstrong Forrest. Fletcher Fraser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) Same starting 11 as the last 2 games except O Donnell for Paterson. They have all earned the right to start.. (except Paterson.) cannae see how can you drop Christie for Mcginn...... Edited November 22, 2018 by stocky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 Think we are lacking a ball winner in midfield. I wouldn’t be averse to playing same team against a weaker team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Malcolm said: Who would your first choice be.... assuming everyone fit.... for the next game.... mcgregor tierney. Souttar. McKenna. Robertson McGregor McGinn Armstrong Forrest. Fletcher Fraser 1. Depends on who we are playing. 2. Depends who is in form in March. My starting point would be the XI that started the last 2 matches and then see if anyone has done enough to force their way in. Gordon, Tierney, Souttar, Berra, Mulgrew and Griffiths would all be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, PASTA Mick said: 1. Depends on who we are playing. 2. Depends who is in form in March. My starting point would be the XI that started the last 2 matches and then see if anyone has done enough to force their way in. Gordon, Tierney, Souttar, Berra, Mulgrew and Griffiths would all be considered. No mcginn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Pretty much the same 11 as started the last 2 matches except Tierney at RB instead of Paterson. As Mick says though it would depend on who we are playing. The 11 that started against Albania and Israel would probably be far too attacking and the central defence too inexperienced if we were playing France or Spain or any Pot 1 team. Depending on who we were playng, I would probably put Souttar in instead of Bates as well but wouldn’t have a problem if Bates kept his spot. Griffiths, if fit, in form and without his head up his arse would need to be considered. As would Cairney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningtings Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I think we have to realise in the 4-3-3 that our centre forward is there as a foil for the 2 wee wingers; don't necessarily expect him to score. If we are up against it and we are playing more like a 4-5-1 then maybe a poacher like Griffiths would be better otherwise I'd stick with Fletch. Otherwise, Tierney at RB is obvious to me and depending on the opposition a choice between McGinn and Armstrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 It's amazing the difference four months can make. Think about the players who played great in these last two matches that we wouldn't have been fussed at all about back in July (Christie, Fletcher, Bates, even possibly Fraser). Best case scenario is they all keep up their good form AND we get another four or five coming through that we're not thinking about just now. The more the merrier! Who knows, maybe come March Oli Burke will be tearing up the Championship again, or Leigh Griffiths will be top scorer in the Scottish Premiership, or Tom Cairney will have signed for Man City, or Callum Paterson will be top scorer in the EPL hahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ANDYP Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 O'Donnell had a nightmare in the Israel game. As bad if not worse than Paterson was. Has to be Tierney at right back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, 1ANDYP said: O'Donnell had a nightmare in the Israel game. As bad if not worse than Paterson was. Has to be Tierney at right back. Agreed he had a nightmare, as did the full side, Tierney included! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Hibs Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 I like the look of Bates and would have instead of Souttar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g@un Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Tierney at right back for me. McGinn offers us that harassing element to his game that maybe would have prevented one, if not both the Israel goals on Tuesday. Difficult to leave any of the midfield out as they all played their part. Fletcher has the jersey now. Can Griffiths be as effective in that role? Can he even be arsed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) Aye depends who we are playing but system wise I think we’d need a really good reason to move away from a 4231 / 433 formation. We’re guilty on here of judging players after 1 or 2 games, O’Donnell is a good example, same with Bates if he has a bad game next time. Edited November 23, 2018 by ParisInAKilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 McGregor Tierney - McKenna –Souttar - Robertson Mcgregor/Mcginn – Armstrong Fraser Christie/Mcgregor Forrest Griffiths/Fletcher A few variations of our strongest 11. Good to have options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 2 hours ago, g@un said: Tierney at right back for me. McGinn offers us that harassing element to his game that maybe would have prevented one, if not both the Israel goals on Tuesday. Difficult to leave any of the midfield out as they all played their part. Fletcher has the jersey now. Can Griffiths be as effective in that role? Can he even be arsed? Except that McGinn, in his recent games, has a bad habit of giving away cheap possessions. Appreciate his other qualities though. As for Griffiths, can he hold the ball up like a good lone striker? Because we seem to be set up now for just the one, whether in a 4.3.3. or a 4-5-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McTeeko Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 3 hours ago, 1ANDYP said: O'Donnell had a nightmare in the Israel game. As bad if not worse than Paterson was. Has to be Tierney at right back. He did aye, but as a wing-back. Robertson looked just as lost on the left. I’m sure O’Donnell will be a lot more solid in a back four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 4 hours ago, Brummie Hibs said: I like the look of Bates and would have instead of Souttar Bates worries me a little. He was fine in the last 2 games but I have a feeling his arse would collapse if Mbappe or someone was running at him (mind you, whose wouldn’t!). Souttar isn’t much more experienced in fairness and I think I’m still judging Bates on his time at Ibrox but he still makes me nervous. Hopefully he’ll prove me wrong if he keeps his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Hibs Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: Bates worries me a little. He was fine in the last 2 games but I have a feeling his arse would collapse if Mbappe or someone was running at him (mind you, whose wouldn’t!). Souttar isn’t much more experienced in fairness and I think I’m still judging Bates on his time at Ibrox but he still makes me nervous. Hopefully he’ll prove me wrong if he keeps his place. I was watching him in Albania, and I liked the way he was organising the defence - he showed leadership. All our current and potential central defenders are far from being world class - we all recognise that. However, I thought Bates showed a little bit more in terms of being able to organise and lead a defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 2 hours ago, bigfingers said: McGregor Tierney - McKenna –Souttar - Robertson Mcgregor/Mcginn – Armstrong Fraser Christie/Mcgregor Forrest Griffiths/Fletcher A few variations of our strongest 11. Good to have options. Apart from playing Fraser and Forrest on the wrong positions, I’d have to agree. 😂 Should Souttar walk straight back into the starting 11 though? Bates didn’t do anything wrong and could be playing in the Bundesliga next season. His inexperience does worry me a bit though. It’s a tough one. Cairney is also a possibility (assuming he ever gets fit and actually wants to play for us). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Brummie Hibs said: I was watching him in Albania, and I liked the way he was organising the defence - he showed leadership. All our current and potential central defenders are far from being world class - we all recognise that. However, I thought Bates showed a little bit more in terms of being able to organise and lead a defence. I did like what I saw as well but our defence wasn’t really tested that much. I’m not sure how he’d react to playing against a very good attacking side. Mind you, I’m not sure how Souttar would react either. McLeish might go for the experience of Mulgrew or maybe even Berra against tougher opposition next year. Not necessarily my first choice but we’ll see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 55 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: I did like what I saw as well but our defence wasn’t really tested that much. I’m not sure how he’d react to playing against a very good attacking side. Mind you, I’m not sure how Souttar would react either. McLeish might go for the experience of Mulgrew or maybe even Berra against tougher opposition next year. Not necessarily my first choice but we’ll see what happens. Your the second person to mention Berra, do you want to continue with all our past failures? The youngsters we have are all at the same level as Berra is now, we need to get their cap totals into double figures as soon as possible and recalling the likes of Berra hinders that. Older players should only be in the squad if you intend starting them and if Berra is there I might become an addition to the statistics of the declining Scotland support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Your the second person to mention Berra, do you want to continue with all our past failures? The youngsters we have are all at the same level as Berra is now, we need to get their cap totals into double figures as soon as possible and recalling the likes of Berra hinders that. Older players should only be in the squad if you intend starting them and if Berra is there I might become an addition to the statistics of the declining Scotland support No. If you read my post again I was stating what I thought McLeish might do based on the fact our central defence is so inexperienced and not what I wanted him to do. A lot of people were slating McLeish for bringing back Naismith and then Fletcher though and they both worked out OK so if he does bring Berra back I certainly won’t be spitting the dummy and refusing to go back to Hampden. If fit, Mulgrew will probably be in the next squad. If Mulgrew is injured then I wouldn’t be surprised if Berra was in the squad for his experience (again, if he’s fit. I’m not sure when he’s due back). Only having an older player in the squad if they are going to start seems like a rule that you have just made up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Bates is learning all the time and has a defenders instincts. He’s very quick in covering ground as well. McKenna is already outstanding. Souttar loooks very good too. They’ll be older and wiser for the next set of games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Been saying it for years, our over reliance on experience is holding us back big style Berra is not as good as mulgrew and hasn't been involved with the new younger players.so why bring him back, I would sooner give the experience of being away for a week to some one who will need it in the future. Naismith and fletcher were in the squad to play, not just for the sake of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 McGregor Bates. Souttar. McKenna. Phillips Tierney McGregor Robertson Forrest. Fraser Fletcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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