The Brexit Thread

[phart]

 

[davy-hay]

Are the changes happening on new years day? 

[vanderark14]

16 minutes ago, phart said:

 

Well done boris and co, that oven ready deal is looking great. 🙄

[exile]

Being cut off from all our neighbours feels like a perfect storm. Marooned on Brexit Island indeed.

Edited December 21, 2020 by exile

[bonzo]

7 hours ago, vanderark14 said:

Well done boris and co, that oven ready deal is looking great. 🙄

It's been in the oven that long it's burnt to an effing crisp.

[exile]

The irony is, the current channel port chaos - being blamed on 'Boris failing Britain' or 'Brexitshambles' - is not directly to do with government incompetence or Brexit, but most immediately due to the new strain of virus.

But indirectly, it surely is a combination of the incompetence of the government, the lack of trust in the government, the bad faith with our European neighbours, the already-stacking trucks due to anticipation of a no deal Brexit that the Govt could have averted long before now; the handling of the pandemic messaging lurching from optimism and bravado (taunting the leader of opposition for contemplating cancelling Christmas) to panicky clampdowns, and loose talk of virus being 'out of control' from a bunch of ministers prone to bluster, weasel words and self-serving exaggeration.

[Saint4805]

The heat really is on BoJo now. New strain of the virus, spiralling cases, NHS under pressure, Christmas cancelled for many, new lockdown, no Brexit deal, likely fresh food shortages and the UK becoming more isolated. I don't think a new slogan will get him out of this one. 

[Lairdyfaeinverclyde]

You couldn't make this up.

 

Nigel Farage Is Angry That France Has Taken Control Of Its Borders (msn.com)

[davy-hay]

2 hours ago, Lairdyfaeinverclyde said:

You couldn't make this up.

 

Nigel Farage Is Angry That France Has Taken Control Of Its Borders (msn.com)

of course the Führer will be unhappy.   he's the only one who ever talked about brexit, ever got the whole thing going.   

Just think, if his parent's had used a condom that night we might not have had brexit.   Scary.

Fate that it falls to one man and he's not even an MP.

[Lairdyfaeinverclyde]

15 minutes ago, davy-hay said:

of course the Führer will be unhappy.   he's the only one who ever talked about brexit, ever got the whole thing going.   

Just think, if his parent's had used a condom that night we might not have had brexit.   Scary.

Fate that it falls to one man and he's not even an MP.

Not biting. Good afternoon.......

[phart]

11 hours ago, exile said:

The irony is, the current channel port chaos - being blamed on 'Boris failing Britain' or 'Brexitshambles' - is not directly to do with government incompetence or Brexit, but most immediately due to the new strain of virus.

But indirectly, it surely is a combination of the incompetence of the government, the lack of trust in the government, the bad faith with our European neighbours, the already-stacking trucks due to anticipation of a no deal Brexit that the Govt could have averted long before now; the handling of the pandemic messaging lurching from optimism and bravado (taunting the leader of opposition for contemplating cancelling Christmas) to panicky clampdowns, and loose talk of virus being 'out of control' from a bunch of ministers prone to bluster, weasel words and self-serving exaggeration.

Absolutely, it's just all compounding though.

Also

 

[Rich NATA]

Seemingly, a deal has been done.

 

So, who has caved in and who has been betrayed?

[wheres the pies]

5 minutes ago, Rich NATA said:

Seemingly, a deal has been done.

 

So, who has caved in and who has been betrayed?

I’ll go for bojo 

[Orraloon]

Doesn't matter what happens the fisherfolk won't be happy.

[scotlad]

Caved in: BoJo.

Betrayed: the British fishing industry.

[davy-hay]

Let's hope this brexit shit is coming to an end 

[AlfieMoon]

1 hour ago, Rich NATA said:

Seemingly, a deal has been done.

 

So, who has caved in and who has been betrayed?

First rule about agreeing a trade deal... 

Both sides will come out smiling, friends, a good deal for both sides, etc. 

Whoever is perceived to have ‘won’ more out of negotiations will fade irrelevantly into the background against the positive feat of achieving an agreement in less than 12 months. 

Any concessions around fisheries will still see the UK in a stronger position than they were under CFP. I think that will keep fishing mainly onside.

This will be the start of the normalisation of Brexit. 

It’ll be a challenge for the SNP to maintain momentum as that reality beds in and the threat of no deal is gone. 

Edited December 23, 2020 by AlfieMoon

[hampden_loon2878]

Yes thats the fishing been thrown under the bus, if reports are true then this will have a massive effect on independence, more than most realise. Its not that the industry is really important but more of what the sell out symbolises 

[King Of Paisley]

13 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Yes thats the fishing been thrown under the bus, if reports are true then this will have a massive effect on independence, more than most realise. Its not that the industry is really important but more of what the sell out symbolises 

Bet that wee Tory loving gobshite Jimmy Buchan will be mightily pleased.

[hampden_loon2878]

8 minutes ago, King Of Paisley said:

Bet that wee Tory loving gobshite Jimmy Buchan will be mightily pleased.

The next row will be over who gets the  little quota we will repatriate,  powerful bodies on both sides of the border will need to fight it out on behalf of their members and there will be fall out from that aswell. 

[King Of Paisley]

2 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

The next row will be over who gets the  little quota we will repatriate,  powerful bodies on both sides of the border will need to fight it out on behalf of their members and there will be fall out from that aswell. 

Well, this won't please folk but hell mend them. If you sleep with dogs you will catch fleas. They get all they deserve when they vote in cunts like Douglas Ross and David Duguid. And I wonder how the folk of Great Grimsby will feel now given they voted in a Tory for the first time in 74 years last year.

[kumnio]

2 hours ago, Orraloon said:

Doesn't matter what happens the fisherfolk won't be happy.

Hopefully that’s true, would be my Christmas present. 

[Caledonian Craig]

10 hours ago, AlfieMoon said:

First rule about agreeing a trade deal... 

Both sides will come out smiling, friends, a good deal for both sides, etc. 

Whoever is perceived to have ‘won’ more out of negotiations will fade irrelevantly into the background against the positive feat of achieving an agreement in less than 12 months. 

Any concessions around fisheries will still see the UK in a stronger position than they were under CFP. I think that will keep fishing mainly onside.

This will be the start of the normalisation of Brexit. 

It’ll be a challenge for the SNP to maintain momentum as that reality beds in and the threat of no deal is gone. 

You are forgetting a massive fact about Brexit. Scotlsnd did NOT vote for it yet its happening. The deed is done and even a cobbled together deal at the very last minute borned out of desperation is not going to smooth things over.

Edited December 24, 2020 by Caledonian Craig

[AlfieMoon]

2 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said:

You are forgetting a massive fact about Brexit. Scotlsnd did NOT vote for it yet its happening. The deed is done and even a cobbled together deal at the very last minute borned out of desperation is not going to smooth things over.

The fact that Scotland didn’t vote for it has played out well since 2016 but for me, that narrative doesn’t work as well when the big scary backdrop of Brexit and no-deal is removed and the situation is normalised. People are fickle and move on. 
 

Brexit didn’t move the Scottish polls significantly. COVID did - but in time that will pass as well. It becomes about whether the SNP can retain that support after those issues pass and people’s outrage has subsided. The major positive is that the age demographic will continue to shift in favour. 
 

A lot of it will be down to timing. Does Holyrood election fall at a good/bad time for whatever politics are getting played out around COVID? That will determine how much political capital there is for the next term and whether indyref is achievable.

[davy-hay]

2 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said:

You are forgetting a massive fact about Brexit. Scotlsnd did NOT vote for it yet its happening. The deed is done and even a cobbled together deal at the very last minute borned out of desperation is not going to smooth things over.

It was never relevant that Scotland didn't vote for it.  We were told before the vote that it was going to be a UK count and boy that's what happened!

Moving goal posts after the vote was never going to be taken seriously.