The Brexit Thread

[exile]

I see the Lords have rejected at least some of the anti-devolution aspects of the internal market bill. To do with regulatory consistency and market access principles. Where this will end, who knows

Has anyone explained why these devolution-diluting issues are in the bill at all? I mean, why did leaving the EU require a new arrangement for how different parts of UK trade with each other? Nothing was stopping us trading before?

Or is it nothing more than purely a political undermining of devolution, sneaked in under cover of the larger 'controversial' but 'essential to get Brexit done' package? Funny how British media never seem to have asked or aired these questions...

Edited December 9, 2020 by exile

[davy-hay]

9 hours ago, phart said:

Brexit is going to be an economic disaster for the majority. Internal assessments are warning of "systemic economic crisis" they're worried about actual unrest obviously made worse due to the current Covid situation.

Academically leaving the EU has really fucked up that sector as well with no access to the huge shared pool of funding.  The reserach funding is 19,000 jobs which is 4 times the entire fishing industry that gets brought up and contributes about 6 times the money.

Could just as easily be an opportunity 

[vanderark14]

9 hours ago, davy-hay said:

Could just as easily be an opportunity 

The UK is alughing stock being driven off a cliff by a bunch of posh wanks who still believe the uk has influence on the global stage. The only.opportunity offered to the Uk will be to the benefit of the very rich.

[phart]

9 hours ago, davy-hay said:

Could just as easily be an opportunity 

Not sure how you think that. Can you show your working?

Lets take car manafacturing-

"Britain's richest man and Brexit supporter Jim Ratcliffe has abandoned plans to build a new SUV in the United Kingdom, dealing another blow to a car industry that has already been battered by the country's exit from the European Union and the pandemic" https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/09/business/jim-ratcliffe-grenadier-brexit/index.html

Let's look at Academia-

Some academic fields in the United Kingdom will have major funding holes to fill once the country leaves the European Union, according to new research commissioned by four U.K. academies. The Academy of Medical Sciences, the British Academy, the Royal Academy of Engineering, and the Royal Society commissioned the Technopolis Group, an independent policy research organization- https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/academies-calculate-how-much-brexit-will-cost-uk-researchers

Medicine prices-

If the UK loses its ability to negotiate drug prices or to import generic drugs under a trade agreement with the US after Brexit, the NHS’s drug bill could soar from £18bn to £45bn a year, a specially commissioned analysis predicts. https://www.bmj.com/content/367/bmj.l6352

We've already seen the above with how much more we're paying for the Covid Vaccines.

Research by Bloomberg Economics estimates that the economic cost of Brexit has already hit £130 billion ($170 billion), with a further £70 billion set to be added by the end of this year. The British economy is now 3 per cent smaller than it could have been EU membership had been maintained.- https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-set-to-cost-the-uk-more-than-200-billion-by-the-end-of-the-year/16/06/

However voting for Brexit was an IQ test if your decision making was based on economic opportunity, if you voted for other reasons then you were happy society paid the cost for those reasons which is fair enough that's a subjective choice.

[davy-hay]

36 minutes ago, phart said:

Not sure how you think that. Can you show your working?

Lets take car manafacturing-

"Britain's richest man and Brexit supporter Jim Ratcliffe has abandoned plans to build a new SUV in the United Kingdom, dealing another blow to a car industry that has already been battered by the country's exit from the European Union and the pandemic" https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/09/business/jim-ratcliffe-grenadier-brexit/index.html

Let's look at Academia-

Some academic fields in the United Kingdom will have major funding holes to fill once the country leaves the European Union, according to new research commissioned by four U.K. academies. The Academy of Medical Sciences, the British Academy, the Royal Academy of Engineering, and the Royal Society commissioned the Technopolis Group, an independent policy research organization- https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/academies-calculate-how-much-brexit-will-cost-uk-researchers

Medicine prices-

If the UK loses its ability to negotiate drug prices or to import generic drugs under a trade agreement with the US after Brexit, the NHS’s drug bill could soar from £18bn to £45bn a year, a specially commissioned analysis predicts. https://www.bmj.com/content/367/bmj.l6352

We've already seen the above with how much more we're paying for the Covid Vaccines.

Research by Bloomberg Economics estimates that the economic cost of Brexit has already hit £130 billion ($170 billion), with a further £70 billion set to be added by the end of this year. The British economy is now 3 per cent smaller than it could have been EU membership had been maintained.- https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-set-to-cost-the-uk-more-than-200-billion-by-the-end-of-the-year/16/06/

However voting for Brexit was an IQ test if your decision making was based on economic opportunity, if you voted for other reasons then you were happy society paid the cost for those reasons which is fair enough that's a subjective choice.

Those billions you quote.    Will be saved by not paying the EU in the future 

[Lairdyfaeinverclyde]

20 minutes ago, davy-hay said:

Those billions you quote.    Will be saved by not paying the EU in the future 

Convince me Brexit will be good for Scotland?

[phart]

1 hour ago, davy-hay said:

Those billions you quote.    Will be saved by not paying the EU in the future 

So you cannot/will not provide your working.

Government has spent Billions on giving out contracts to their donors this year.

"More than £1billion of outsourced government contracts have gone to firms run by Tory “friends and donors” since the pandemic took hold, an analysis reveals.

The figures include deals for PPE provision, testing and polling – as well as the Government's much-maligned contact tracing system."here.

My little crony-

Saving Billions to line a select fews pockets is precisely the argument I am making. So we'll lose tens of thousands of jobs, scuttle entire industries to save money which will then be siphoned off to a tiny minority of the country.

one sentence rebuttals just show how shallow your understanding of the dynamics are and how you fit into the low information voter category.

I'm happy to demonstrate even further how an informed financial predator can fleece money off a low information voter by offering you a 4 figure bet on whether comparative GDP goes up or down with Brexit.

[Caledonian Craig]

Give up with Davy Hay. Every Tory could drop their trousers and do a big dump in his face and he'd sit there with a gooey, sappish smile on his face and still think it was a good thing. 

[davy-hay]

1 hour ago, phart said:

So you cannot/will not provide your working.

Government has spent Billions on giving out contracts to their donors this year.

"More than £1billion of outsourced government contracts have gone to firms run by Tory “friends and donors” since the pandemic took hold, an analysis reveals.

The figures include deals for PPE provision, testing and polling – as well as the Government's much-maligned contact tracing system."here.

My little crony-

Saving Billions to line a select fews pockets is precisely the argument I am making. So we'll lose tens of thousands of jobs, scuttle entire industries to save money which will then be siphoned off to a tiny minority of the country.

one sentence rebuttals just show how shallow your understanding of the dynamics are and how you fit into the low information voter category.

I'm happy to demonstrate even further how an informed financial predator can fleece money off a low information voter by offering you a 4 figure bet on whether comparative GDP goes up or down with Brexit.

T. L. D. R. 

[phart]

15 minutes ago, davy-hay said:

T. L. D. R. 

Too late didn't research.

[Caledonian Craig]

2 minutes ago, phart said:

Too late didn't research.

Or Tories Lying Deceitful Robbers.

[ThistleWhistle]

Twelfth Log-in; Don't Respond? 

[phart]

16 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said:

Twelfth Log-in; Don't Respond? 

I know but someone else might be reading the thread so always good to flesh out the argument. Sure i might as well be explaining myself to a cat but maybe someone else is listening.

[phart]

Wrong thread

Edited December 10, 2020 by phart

[davy-hay]

33 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said:

Twelfth Log-in; Don't Respond? 

I like this 😂 

[fringo]

Apparently a No Deal is now really, really likely. 

[phart]

6 minutes ago, fringo said:

Apparently a No Deal is now really, really likely. 

from BBC

The prime minister said "now is the time" for businesses and the public to prepare for that outcome, although negotiators would continue talks.

Nice 21 days notice during a pandemic, fucking shambles.

[fringo]

7 minutes ago, phart said:

from BBC

The prime minister said "now is the time" for businesses and the public to prepare for that outcome, although negotiators would continue talks.

Nice 21 days notice during a pandemic, fucking shambles.

Absolutely. And it's taken them 4 1/2 years to achieve nothing.

[kumnio]

9 hours ago, phart said:

Not sure how you think that. Can you show your working?

Phart, cmon now, don’t ask the moron troll anything. 

[TDYER63]

This pandemic is like manna from heaven for them from a economic stance. For years to come everything will get blamed on Covid and not Brexit.

There is already chaos at the ports. I was speaking to a freight company in England. He said the UK’s organisation is a shambles. Between reduced staff at the docks and the PPE equipment everywhere very little else can get in or out. The ships are getting fed up waiting and just moving onto other ports on Europe like Rotterdam and saying they will get back to the UK when they can.
Just wait till Brexit sets in. 

[davy-hay]

27 minutes ago, phart said:

from BBC

The prime minister said "now is the time" for businesses and the public to prepare for that outcome, although negotiators would continue talks.

Nice 21 days notice during a pandemic, fucking shambles.

To be fair... They talked about no deal for 4 and a half years 😂 

Edited December 10, 2020 by davy-hay

[phart]

19 minutes ago, kumnio said:

Phart, cmon now, don’t ask the moron troll anything. 

Aye, I had too much time on my hands this afternoon!

[Och Aye]

32 minutes ago, fringo said:

Absolutely. And it's taken them 4 1/2 years to achieve nothing.

Now now.... It's an Australian style deal (aka absolutely no fuckin deal) Don't think Boris is going to refer to it as a no deal, far too negative 🙄

[davy-hay]

4 minutes ago, Och Aye said:

Now now.... It's an Australian style deal (aka absolutely no fuckin deal) Don't think Boris is going to refer to it as a no deal, far too negative 🙄

The Australian style point system in regards to immigration is a good idea. 

 

Maybe not for other things though 

[Caledonian Craig]

It is just another big piece of evidence what utter bullshitters Tories are. What happened to the oven-ready trade deal and repeated promises they'd strike a deal? It is akin to the blatant lies told by Better Together in 2014. Feed voters bullshit and get the vote in the bag and then to hell with promises and do as you please.

People were warning of this scenario and now its an odds-on cert.