robbo cop Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 37 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: First match is 9pm kick-off so get booking accommodation in Munich. Is that UK time or Munich time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted December 2, 2023 Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, robbo cop said: Is that UK time or Munich time? It's Hammer time! Ask your dad 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Opening games in major tournaments - never easy 1974 - win against minnows (but to no avail, went out on goal difference) 1978 - shock loss (sort of) to unfancied side 1982 - win against minnows (but to no avail, went out on goal difference) 1986 - loss to under-rated pot 4 team in group of death so hardly a shock 1990 - shock loss to minnows, no redeeming features 1992 - narrow defeat to semi-finalists 1996 - draw with quarter finalists 1998 - narrow loss to tournament finalists and reigning world champions 2020 - loss, just a loss with no redeeming features So, no great expectations, but 1996 our best precedent to take hope from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Tartan blood said: Germany, Hungary and Switzerland. I mean, could that actually be any kinder? Thats not a kind group. Hungary and Switzerland are decent sides these days, especially Switzerland and playing the Germany in Germany will be tough. It's not the worst group but it's still going to be tough to qualify from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 I think this is a very decent draw. Hungary and Switzerland are good sides but certainly beatable. We have to remember we had a stellar qualifying campaign and I'll bet both those sides would have wanted to avoid us. Germany are having a rough time of it right now but on home turf and tournament football you expect them to get their act together. Could have been a lot worse. If you were an Albania or Wales fan (should they make it) you'd be spewing. Glad we avoided a Pot 4 booby trap in Italy. Not to mention France and England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFH64 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 hour ago, robbo cop said: Is that UK time or Munich time? Whatever time zone it is be a long day on great German beer 🍺🍺🍺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scot1 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 I think the players will look at the group and think, “yeah we can do something here.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 57 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said: Thats not a kind group. Hungary and Switzerland are decent sides these days, especially Switzerland and playing the Germany in Germany will be tough. It's not the worst group but it's still going to be tough to qualify from it. Looking at their recent results Switzerland are shite In their last 7 games they have won once - beating Andorra 3-0 at home They have drew with Belarus, Israel, & Kosovo twice We will also find a way to beat Hungary - they are not that good either if you discount the freak England result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHFC Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 26 minutes ago, RDFH64 said: Whatever time zone it is be a long day on great German beer 🍺🍺🍺 Going to be a very long day. 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, SteveHFC said: Going to be a very long day. 👀 Never mind getting lucky with our UEFA ticket applications. It's the liver transplant list i hope i'm successful on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaundy Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Munich, Koln , Stuttgart! Nice. not been to Munich and Stuttgart before. Really like cologne. An ancient city and the Rhine and Dom are impressive. mates misses and myself both called drawing Germany for the opening game. Reckon they know we’re a not nasty bunch in general. Called Hungary too , my pal was getting spooked but we didn’t get Italy as I thought. do think we’re odds on to progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Shaundy said: Munich, Koln , Stuttgart! Nice. not been to Munich and Stuttgart before. Really like cologne. An ancient city and the Rhine and Dom are impressive. mates misses and myself both called drawing Germany for the opening game. Reckon they know we’re a not nasty bunch in general. Called Hungary too , my pal was getting spooked but we didn’t get Italy as I thought. do think we’re odds on to progress. The only bookie thats priced it up so far has us at 5/4 against to qualify and 9/1 to win the group. Edited December 2, 2023 by ceudmilefailte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Main thing id like from our first game is a game without our goalie for some reason spending most of his time in centre mid & then flailing around in the net like an exasperated haddock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 2 hours ago, mccaughey85 said: Thats not a kind group. Hungary and Switzerland are decent sides these days, especially Switzerland and playing the Germany in Germany will be tough. It's not the worst group but it's still going to be tough to qualify from it. Are Germany, Hungary or Switzerland better than Spain? I say not. We beat them so no reason why we shouldn't fancy our chances here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningtings Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Wouldn't say Hungary/Switzerland were all that much better than Norway either for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 2 hours ago, mccaughey85 said: Thats not a kind group. Hungary and Switzerland are decent sides these days, especially Switzerland and playing the Germany in Germany will be tough. It's not the worst group but it's still going to be tough to qualify from it. It’s close to as kind a group as we could’ve gotten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted December 2, 2023 Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 52 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Main thing id like from our first game is a game without our goalie for some reason spending most of his time in centre mid & then flailing around in the net like an exasperated haddock Thusly: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFH64 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 2 hours ago, SteveHFC said: Going to be a very long day. 👀 Going to be a very long minimum 14 nights 🫣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said: Are Germany, Hungary or Switzerland better than Spain? I say not. We beat them so no reason why we shouldn't fancy our chances here. I can see us going home undefeated ☹️ feck all between Hungary, Switzerland and ourselves. I also doubt Germany will win all 3 of their games, gonna be tight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 hours ago, runningtings said: Wouldn't say Hungary/Switzerland were all that much better than Norway either for that matter. Going by Hungary's results I would say they are alot better than Norway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 hours ago, ProudScot said: It’s close to as kind a group as we could’ve gotten You think? Hungary are probably the second best pot 2 team. Looking at their results over the last 2 years they have beaten England twice. They have a win and a draw over Germany. They have 2 wins v Serbia and a win v Poland. Thats some amazing results considering how ordinary their squad is. Switzerland are probably the second best pot 4 team. They have a strong squad and have done relatively well in recent years although somebody earlier in the thread said they have had poor results recently. Germany might currently be one of weaker pot 1 teams but they are still the home nation and they often pull themselves together for major tournaments. They still have a squad full of top players as well. It's not the worst group but theres a couple of groups I would definitely swap with if given the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) Hungary are not bullet-proof. If Bulgaria and Lithuania can get something off them as they did in the Euros qualifying so can we. You do realise that Switzerland won less than half of their qualifying matches don't you? And that was in a group with none of the big guns in finishing behind Romania and unable to beat the likes of Kosovo home or away. And Germany is the glamour tie and they are one of the weakest of the top seeds. Last time we went to Germany for a qualifying match we lost narrowly 2-1 when we had a weaker time than now and Germany had a stronger team than now. Germany were about the best we could have hoped for out of the top seeds. Second seeds Hungary were one of the stronger sides but sooner them than Turkey or Denmark. As for the fourth seeds sooner Switzerland than Italy or Serbia or Wales/Poland plus play-off path with Ukraine in it. You can mess your pants all you want about results Hungary have had of late but if so do not ignore the fact we have beaten the likes of Spain, Denmark, Ukraine and Austria too in recent times. Edited December 3, 2023 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 What's our route to the the final? 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, vanderark14 said: What's our route to the the final? 😆 Not precisely sure but mccaughey85 can map out your quickest route home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanBlessed Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Could be better and could be worse. Despite Germany not being in form, they've only been playing friendlies and to come up against them as the host nation will be really tough. Hungary are probably slightly better than us but their qualifying results don't make me fear them that much. I know they beat England in the NL but bigger nations treat those games a s friendlies. Not really seen much of Switzerland but they didn't do that well in qualifying. I worry about our attacking options, though I accept most of our goals tend to come from elsewhere. CB's are still a major worry for me and I'll be relieved if Hanley is back and on form. I think the difference will be if Tierney is fit or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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