todd Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 No doubt UEFA will change the pot 2 spare place criteria now that Ukraine are in the position we were yesterday. Otherwise Russia's expulsion will have cost them that spot 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: Not necessarily. If one or more league B group winners (including us hopefully) qualifies automatically their playoff spot would go to a League A team that did not qualify automatically or win their Nations League group. Indeed. You only need to look back at the play of paths for Euro 2020 to understand that most of the really big nations will qualify automatically. Below was the 4 paths for the 2020 play offs. I've put which pot they are in for the Euro 2024 qualifying draw and which Nations League each country will be in for the next Nations League 2023-24 . It's quite interesting to note that our path has done by far the best (3 teams gone all the way to League A and 3 into pot 2) and that you could easily find yourself with a harder play off game depending on where teams are in a cycle of players etc. Scotland should be very positive about qualifying automatically but it's huge to have a play off in our pockets. Path A : Iceland League B and Pot 3 Bulgaria League C and Pot 4 Hungary League A and Pot 1 Romania League C and Pot 3 Path B : Bosnia League A and Pot 2 Slovakia League C and Pot 5 N.Ireland League C and Pot 5 Rep. Ireland League B and Pot 3 Path C : Scotland League A and Pot 2 Norway League B and Pot 3 Serbia League A and Pot 2 Israel League A and Pot 2 Path D : Georgia League B and Pot 4 N Macedonia League C and Pot 4 Kosovo League C and Pot 4 Belarus League D and Pot 5 Edited September 27, 2022 by Hendricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 hours ago, The Black Bra said: Yeah, fair enough. Was just trying to think of other meaningful/important 0-0 results. Belarus 0-0 away under WS in Minsk post Bertie ? ..... Dave Weir comeback ; seemed to recall we played most of the game in our penalty box ; pity about results after though not the greatest side in the world either ; but remember thinking at time was a 'point gained' feeling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said: Australia were a bit of a joke footballing nation tbh in 85 ; we made heavy weather of it as usual Dave Mitchell was their "household" name John Kosmina ForwardDave Mitchell Oscar Crino Alan Davidson Robbie Dunn Terry Greedy Graham Jennings Ken Murphy James Patikas David Ratcliffe Charlie Yankos And he was Scottish! 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Also a big shout out to Jack Hendry. He has been superb in all three games and he has cemented his place in the side for me. Aye he has been excellent. Centre half was a problem position for us as well as right back only a short time ago and now we appear to have some decent options there as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 45 minutes ago, Hendricks said: Indeed. You only need to look back at the play of paths for Euro 2020 to understand that most of the really big nations will qualify automatically. Below was the 4 paths for the 2020 play offs. I've put which pot they are in for the Euro 2024 qualifying draw and which Nations League each country will be in for the next Nations League 2023-24 . It's quite interesting to note that our path has done by far the best (3 teams gone all the way to League A and 3 into pot 2) and that you could easily find yourself with a harder play off game depending on where teams are in a cycle of players etc. Scotland should be very positive about qualifying automatically but it's huge to have a play off in our pockets. Path A : Iceland League B and Pot 3 Bulgaria League C and Pot 4 Hungary League A and Pot 1 Romania League C and Pot 3 Path B : Bosnia League A and Pot 2 Slovakia League C and Pot 5 N.Ireland League C and Pot 5 Rep. Ireland League B and Pot 3 Path C : Scotland League A and Pot 2 Norway League B and Pot 3 Serbia League A and Pot 2 Israel League A and Pot 2 Path D : Georgia League B and Pot 4 N Macedonia League C and Pot 4 Kosovo League C and Pot 4 Belarus League D and Pot 5 Lets hope it takes the pressure off and we can go out to win matches rather than avoid defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loanhead-tartan Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Whole team dug in and got the job done , massive performance from porteous that’s been a long time coming in a Scotland shirt. He turns those performances in week in week out at hibs , that would have been a hard one to accept for 1 side of the west coast media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamP Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 FB buzzing this morning with photos etc. Brilliant Scotland. Restored a bit of pride for the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokesy Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Really solid away performance. I had a few quid on 0-0 as well so that was nice 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Cannot say anything other than what has already been said. Absolutely brilliant week to be a Scotland fan. Cannot remember the last time I saw us playing so consistently especially with so many players injured. I dont think it can be underestimated how important it is to now have this depth. Looked like a great away support too. Pretty jealous not to be there even in the pishin rain. On the game, wtf is the point of this offside rule that is not flagged immediately? It was ridiculous the number of times it was happening when Ukraine were attacking, which I suppose is testament to how well our defence played. But it is an utter shit rule. Can someone explain the supposed benefits of it , being a woman I don’t understand why it is necessary 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Cannot say anything other than what has already been said. Absolutely brilliant week to be a Scotland fan. Cannot remember the last time I saw us playing so consistently especially with so many players injured. I dont think it can be underestimated how important it is to now have this depth. Looked like a great away support too. Pretty jealous not to be there even in the pishin rain. On the game, wtf is the point of this offside rule that is not flagged immediately? It was ridiculous the number of times it was happening when Ukraine were attacking, which I suppose is testament to how well our defence played. But it is an utter shit rule. Can someone explain the supposed benefits of it , being a woman I don’t understand why it is necessary 🙂 I think its to stop linesman from stopping play when its a tight call. Obviously if a linesman flags offside and its not offside then thats unfair on the team attacking who might be in on goal. Not 100 hundred percent but i think thats the reason. I reckon when its clearly offside the linesman should be allowed to flag immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said: I think its to stop linesman from stopping play when its a tight call. Obviously if a linesman flags offside and its not offside then thats unfair on the team attacking who might be in on goal. Not 100 hundred percent but i think thats the reason. I reckon when its clearly offside the linesman should be allowed to flag immediately. Yep that's it, because of VAR being able to check I think. But as you say when it's so obvious then it should be called or someone will get a bad injury chasing an unnecessary bit of play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, Kirk said: Yep that's it, because of VAR being able to check I think. But as you say when it's so obvious then it should be called or someone will get a bad injury chasing an unnecessary bit of play Yes that almost happened with Ukraine player last night. Player went down under a challenge in the area and stayed down for a moment or two holding his leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Texas Pete said: Not necessarily. If one or more league B group winners (including us hopefully) qualifies automatically their playoff spot would go to a League A team that did not qualify automatically or win their Nations League group. Don't think that's quite right. It's a highly unlikely scenario any but if by some highly unusual set of events 5 League A team failed to qualify directly then the bottom League A team would need all of the League B (or League C) group winners to qualify directly. Which could happen especially if 5 League A teams had failed to do it. A League B (or League C) group winner can't be in the same playoff path as a League A team. Article 16..02 d. https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulations-of-the-UEFA-European-Football-Championship-2022-24/Article-16-Path-formation-play-offs-Online "The remaining slots are then allocated to the best-ranked of the teams that have not already qualified for the final tournament on the basis of the overall 2022/23 UEFA Nations League rankings, subject to the restriction that group winners of Leagues A, B and C cannot be in a play-off path with higher-ranked teams." It won't happen anyway so it's just a technicality rerally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Yes that almost happened with Ukraine player last night. Player went down under a challenge in the area and stayed down for a moment or two holding his leg. It's going to happen at some point for sure. Or someone tearing a hammy or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 hours ago, mccaughey85 said: I think its to stop linesman from stopping play when its a tight call. Obviously if a linesman flags offside and its not offside then thats unfair on the team attacking who might be in on goal. Not 100 hundred percent but i think thats the reason. I reckon when its clearly offside the linesman should be allowed to flag immediately. 👍 1 hour ago, Kirk said: Yep that's it, because of VAR being able to check I think. But as you say when it's so obvious then it should be called or someone will get a bad injury chasing an unnecessary bit of play Exactly . It may also force unnecessary yellow or red cards. It wasted a bit of time for us last night but that is not the purpose and IMO there are more risks than benefits to be gained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: 👍 Exactly . It may also force unnecessary yellow or red cards. It wasted a bit of time for us last night but that is not the purpose and IMO there are more risks than benefits to be gained. Yeah you can see the players getting frustrated with it at times too. Everyone can see it except the ones that make the daft rules 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Kirk said: Yep that's it, because of VAR being able to check I think. But as you say when it's so obvious then it should be called or someone will get a bad injury chasing an unnecessary bit of play Considering some of the evil, borderline criminal, assaults on our players last night, Hickey in particular, we maybe should've taken advantage of these "play-ons" to thud in with a couple of sickeners. Not usually for things like that, but they were a right shower of dirty bstrds who could easily have had a couple of reds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, daviebee said: Considering some of the evil, borderline criminal, assaults on our players last night, Hickey in particular, we maybe should've taken advantage of these "play-ons" to thud in with a couple of sickeners. Not usually for things like that, but they were a right shower of dirty bstrds who could easily have had a couple of reds. 🤣 No doubt one of our players would injure themselves trying that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 17 hours ago, aaid said: Porteous is a red card waiting to happen. He did okay TBF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 hours ago, TDYER63 said: Looked like a great away support too. Pretty jealous not to be there even in the pishin rain. Wasn't too bad before and after. It was lovely in the morning / early afternoon. Very decent / noisy away support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 54 minutes ago, daviebee said: Considering some of the evil, borderline criminal, assaults on our players last night, Hickey in particular, we maybe should've taken advantage of these "play-ons" to thud in with a couple of sickeners. Not usually for things like that, but they were a right shower of dirty bstrds who could easily have had a couple of reds. I thought ukraine were very thuggish and nasty in both games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said: I thought ukraine were very thuggish and nasty in both games. Hey! Don't you upset Mr Souness, we need to love them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Och Aye said: Hey! Don't you upset Mr Souness, we need to love them. There are better ways to please a fanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 12 hours ago, Kirk said: Yep that's it, because of VAR being able to check I think. But as you say when it's so obvious then it should be called or someone will get a bad injury chasing an unnecessary bit of play My old boy said exactly that on Saturday. What would happen if a flag wasn’t raised until later, a player got a career endibg injury and a red card for the defender, does it all get scrapped because it was offside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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