Catchart Circle Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 On 5/7/2019 at 9:08 AM, andyD said: Don't know if i'm alone, but I've felt like his performances for Scotland have been less good since he's had the armband. As if trying to pay attention to captainy things has taken focus off his own duties somewhat. For other options.. McKenna's worn the armband for Aberdeen on occasion. Souttar's captained Hearts regularly. McGregor's captained Celtic a couple of times in Brown's absence. I like the idea of Armstrong, given how consistent he is, good example for the rest. Personally I'd probably go with McKenna for now. He's pretty much a nailed on starter and seems like he wouldn't be overburdened by it. I have to agree. After the fiasco in Astana the lack of organisation was highlighted with many pundits saying there was no leaders on the park. Robertson was rightly welcomed back into the side a few days later in Serevalle and, frankly, made not one iota of a difference to the performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meagaidh Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48413180 Tremendous read. Good photo in this of Robertson playing for Dundee United against Partick Thistle, taking on... Stephen O'Donnell. Interesting comparisons to be made between these two full-backs both released by Celtic as youngsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meagaidh Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 On 5/7/2019 at 9:08 AM, andyD said: Don't know if i'm alone, but I've felt like his performances for Scotland have been less good since he's had the armband. As if trying to pay attention to captainy things has taken focus off his own duties somewhat. For other options.. McKenna's worn the armband for Aberdeen on occasion. Souttar's captained Hearts regularly. McGregor's captained Celtic a couple of times in Brown's absence. I like the idea of Armstrong, given how consistent he is, good example for the rest. Personally I'd probably go with McKenna for now. He's pretty much a nailed on starter and seems like he wouldn't be overburdened by it. I'm a huge Robertson fan, but definitely thought he was an odd choice for captain. Not only does his character seem not quite suited to leadership (yet: he may grow into it), but it further complicates the whole Robertson vs Tierney headache that faces every Scotland manager for the next decade. What happens if Robertson loses his Liverpool place or his form dips while Tierney performing well as left-back for Arsenal or Atletico or whatever? Dropping the captain seems potentially messier than just making a judgement on full-back. I also thought that making him captain had the potential to disillusion Tierney, since it makes it all but certain that he won't play left back while Robertson is fit. Maybe we're seeing a bit of that with Tierney's recent run of unavailability. Character-wise, I think the obvious stand out for captain is actually Tierney. But then the national captain should be someone who starts every game (this is different to domestic football, where you can have a club-captain who can be more active off the pitch - like a Kompany type figure), and we don't have many of those. For what it's worth, at the time I would have suggested that the captaincy be shared between Gordon and McGregor, with whoever starts of those two taking the armband. But in hindsight that solution wouldn't have lasted very long... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Really don't think fullback is a position to have your captain in, just too far away from other areas of the pitch and it has taken away from his performance I would say. Hard to change your captain, about the only way you can justify it without knocking the player is with a change of management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils4oyarder Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, Meagaidh said: I'm a huge Robertson fan, but definitely thought he was an odd choice for captain. Not only does his character seem not quite suited to leadership (yet: he may grow into it), but it further complicates the whole Robertson vs Tierney headache that faces every Scotland manager for the next decade. What happens if Robertson loses his Liverpool place or his form dips while Tierney performing well as left-back for Arsenal or Atletico or whatever? Dropping the captain seems potentially messier than just making a judgement on full-back. I also thought that making him captain had the potential to disillusion Tierney, since it makes it all but certain that he won't play left back while Robertson is fit. Maybe we're seeing a bit of that with Tierney's recent run of unavailability. Character-wise, I think the obvious stand out for captain is actually Tierney. But then the national captain should be someone who starts every game (this is different to domestic football, where you can have a club-captain who can be more active off the pitch - like a Kompany type figure), and we don't have many of those. For what it's worth, at the time I would have suggested that the captaincy be shared between Gordon and McGregor, with whoever starts of those two taking the armband. But in hindsight that solution wouldn't have lasted very long... So....clearly Robertson is the best left-back we have, but you wouldn't have given him the captains armband for fear of upsetting Kieran fucking Tierney? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Good leaders lead by example, and there is currently no better example of what a young Scottish footballer can achieve with hard work and determination than Robbo. I think we'll see him learn how to be a great captain just like he has learned how to do everything else that has been asked of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48413180 Tremendous read. Tremendous read indeed !! Noted they also mentioned Charlie Nicholas, he really, really should have gone down as one of our most prolific & naturally talented footballers of all time, he had absolutely everything (apart from a brain / good advisers) ......and i say this as no Celtic fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RightPeg Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 20 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said: Really don't think fullback is a position to have your captain in, just too far away from other areas of the pitch and it has taken away from his performance I would say. Hard to change your captain, about the only way you can justify it without knocking the player is with a change of management. Lahm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RightPeg Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 For me the captain sets a standard in terms of attitude, commitment and training etc and Robertson does that without a doubt. It's not about making on the pitch calls for change of shape or shouting the odds. There should be a few vocal players in every team, regardless of experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 53 minutes ago, RightPeg said: For me the captain sets a standard in terms of attitude, commitment and training etc and Robertson does that without a doubt. It's not about making on the pitch calls for change of shape or shouting the odds. There should be a few vocal players in every team, regardless of experience. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Chirpers back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 13 hours ago, RightPeg said: For me the captain sets a standard in terms of attitude, commitment and training etc and Robertson does that without a doubt. It's not about making on the pitch calls for change of shape or shouting the odds. There should be a few vocal players in every team, regardless of experience. With all due respect I'd disagree. I totally agree with your first part but I think the captain can/should be key ON the pitch as well. There should be others too but the captain should be the main leader on the pitch too. Robbo is brilliant and I'm a huge fan, but I agree with some earlier posts in that I'm not sure if the captaincy has affected his performances and if someone else should be captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 I’d guess that playing in a weaker team with a shite manager has affected his performances more than being captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 European champion First Scot since Paul Lambert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Toepoke said: European champion First Scot since Paul Lambert. Does Darren Fletcher not count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Was the best player in what was a fairly dull champion's league final I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said: Does Darren Fletcher not count. I guess he got a medal but never played in the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Happy for Robbo and delighted he never got injured ☺️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 He should be full of confidence now going into two big games for Scotland. What a shite game though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Having a champions League winner in the squad should give the rest of the players a boost, we should start being positive about our players, we have a decent calibre of player and should be looking to qualify for the euros more often now that it's 24 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Congratulations to Robertson but he was rubbish tonight. To be fair he wasn't out of place as everyone else on the pitch was also rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Fk your my key mouse trebles, Robertson trumps the lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 30 minutes ago, JECK said: Fk your my key mouse trebles, Robertson trumps the lot. My key Mouse? Who was his bird? My knee Mouse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GaryWood34 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Imagine for a second it was the champions league final between two spanish teams and the England captain was one of the best players on the pitch. How many times would the commentators have been speaking about 'The England Captain'. Not once did they mention that Robbo is the Scotland captain. First scottish captain since... to win the european cup would have been nice. Even a wee shout out from queens park and Tannadice to Madrid. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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