The Brexit Thread

[exile]

Brexit party set to be joint largest in EU parliament!

🇬🇧 Brexit 29 seats
🇩🇪 CDU 29
🇮🇹 Lega 28
🇵🇱 PiS 23
🇫🇷 RN 22
🇫🇷 Ren. 21
🇩🇪 Grüne 21

[ParisInAKilt]

3 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said:

Yes but with that mindset we would never go for a second indyref as those unionist sectors will always rally against Yes.

Ironically the leave EU vote showed that you can beat the establishment 

[aaid]

15 minutes ago, exile said:

Brexit party set to be joint largest in EU parliament!

🇬🇧 Brexit 29 seats
🇩🇪 CDU 29
🇮🇹 Lega 28
🇵🇱 PiS 23
🇫🇷 RN 22
🇫🇷 Ren. 21
🇩🇪 Grüne 21

That's pretty meaningless as the EU parliament is all about voting blocks and the part that Farage would be part of will not have any form of majority and that's without considering that in the past all these "anti-EU" parties have all fallen out with each other.

 

[Grim Jim]

4 minutes ago, aaid said:

That's pretty meaningless as the EU parliament is all about voting blocks and the part that Farage would be part of will not have any form of majority and that's without considering that in the past all these "anti-EU" parties have all fallen out with each other.

 

Anti-EU parties working together would be ironic.

[exile]

6 minutes ago, aaid said:

That's pretty meaningless as the EU parliament is all about voting blocks and the part that Farage would be part of will not have any form of majority and that's without considering that in the past all these "anti-EU" parties have all fallen out with each other.

 

Ironic nevertheless.

Anyway aguably all the UK MEPs are meaningless. 

 

[Toepoke]

The number of far right MEPs rises from 0 to 58!  Mainly via France and Italy...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c7zzdg3pmgpt/european-elections-2019

 

[stocky]

oops..

Edited May 27, 2019 by stocky

[vanderark14]

2 hours ago, Orraloon said:

If I was living in England I might be tempted to vote for Farage.

I live in England and I'd never vote for that snake

[aaid]

For those people interested in these things.  

The way that the seat allocation broke down was as follows - at each round, you take the number of votes divided by the number of seats won + 1 and the party with the largest vote takes the seat at that round..

1st seat - SNP - 594553.
2nd seat - SNP - 297276 (=594553/2)
3rd seat - Brexit - 233006
4th seat - Lib Dems - 218285
5th seat - SNP - 198184.3 (=594553/3)
6th seat - Tories - 182476

Interesting aside - for those people who talk about the Indy vote being split - even if everybody that voted Green voted for the SNP the Tories would still have won the final seat by just over 1000 votes.
 

[stocky]

3 minutes ago, aaid said:

For those people interested in these things.  

The way that the seat allocation broke down was as follows - at each round, you take the number of votes divided by the number of seats won + 1 and the party with the largest vote takes the seat at that round..

1st seat - SNP - 594553.
2nd seat - SNP - 297276 (=594553/2)
3rd seat - Brexit - 233006
4th seat - Lib Dems - 218285
5th seat - SNP - 198184.3 (=594553/3)
6th seat - Tories - 182476

Interesting aside - for those people who talk about the Indy vote being split - even if everybody that voted Green voted for the SNP the Tories would still have won the final seat by just over 1000 votes.
 

how far away were the greens from getting a seat?   

[aaid]

5 minutes ago, stocky said:

how far away were the greens from getting a seat?   

Some distance - they were 53000 behind the Tories.  They were only 17000 behind Labour though - which must be very concerning for them.

Interesting to compare the actual results to the Scotland wide Panelbase poll from the week before the election (poll/actual)

SNP 38/38
BREXIT 15/16
LIB DEMS 10/14
TORY 11/12
LAB 16/9
GREEN 4/8

Pretty much spot on as far as the SNP, Brexit and Tories were concerned - way out with the others.
 

Edited May 27, 2019 by aaid

[exile]

I see Ian Murray throwing the toys out the pram, calling the leadership Tory sleepers (!) 

(On Twitter) "The labour leadership refused to listen to me, their members & their supporters. Maybe now they’ll listen to the voters? We were hearing this day in, day out but they simply didn’t want to know. They stitched up the NEC & manifesto. I’m starting to wonder if they r Tory sleepers."

...and no surrender on the indy front either "we will never, ever, deal with the SNP on this." In the Scotsman (or National)

[ErsatzThistle]

Just now, exile said:

I see Ian Murray throwing the toys out the pram, calling the leadership Tory sleepers (!) 

(On Twitter) "The labour leadership refused to listen to me, their members & their supporters. Maybe now they’ll listen to the voters? We were hearing this day in, day out but they simply didn’t want to know. They stitched up the NEC & manifesto. I’m starting to wonder if they r Tory sleepers."

...and no surrender on the indy front either "we will never, ever, deal with the SNP on this." In the Scotsman (or National)

If that wee fud needed a kidney he'd demand that the doctors made sure the donor isn't an SNP voter or independence supporter !

[Grim Jim]

2 hours ago, Toepoke said:

The number of far right MEPs rises from 0 to 58!  Mainly via France and Italy...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c7zzdg3pmgpt/european-elections-2019

 

The BBC call EFA (to which the SNP belong) "Greens" on that.

[Toepoke]

3 hours ago, aaid said:

Interesting to compare the actual results to the Scotland wide Panelbase poll from the week before the election (poll/actual)

SNP 38/38
BREXIT 15/16
LIB DEMS 10/14
TORY 11/12
LAB 16/9
GREEN 4/8

Pretty much spot on as far as the SNP, Brexit and Tories were concerned - way out with the others.
 

Heard John Curtice on the radio earlier saying the SNP polled almost identically to the 2017 General Election which was seen as a terrible result for them, whereas last night was seen as a huge victory.  He said in reality both descriptions were a bit of an exaggeration. 

 

[Bonny79]

Farage would make a good prime minister 

[Lairdyfaeinverclyde]

3 minutes ago, Bonny79 said:

Farage would make a good prime minister 

So would you. Both talk shite

[Lairdyfaeinverclyde]

[wee-toon-red]

28 minutes ago, Lairdyfaeinverclyde said:

Saw that graph a few times today but it’s nonsense. The tories are a brexit party and, at the most charitable you could be, labour would be 50/50, so in actual fact leave parties got a bigger overall vote share. That said, it’s a fairly meaningless stat anyway.

[Ally Bongo]

1 minute ago, wee-toon-red said:

Saw that graph a few times today but it’s nonsense. The tories are a brexit party and, at the most charitable you could be, labour would be 50/50, so in actual fact leave parties got a bigger overall vote share. That said, it’s a fairly meaningless stat anyway.

Not really - i think the point is that they cancel each other out

There are many in the Tory party that are remainers too

[aaid]

1 minute ago, Ally Bongo said:

Not really - i think the point is that they cancel each other out

There are many in the Tory party that are remainers too

Yeah, I think the best way you can think of the labour and Tory rump are "don't knows". 

[wee-toon-red]

9 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Not really - i think the point is that they cancel each other out

There are many in the Tory party that are remainers too

They both campaigned on a Brexit platform though, so voters who voted for them surely must back brexit?

[Hertsscot]

9 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Not really - i think the point is that they cancel each other out

There are many in the Tory party that are remainers too

Really?  Tories want Brexit, some want a No deal Brexit, others want a different Brexit but they want some type of Brexit.  The only fault line amongst MPs is whether they'd prefer no Brexit to a NO deal Brexit but they'd all prefer leaving the EU

[Bonny79]

No deal brexit would be OK.   The WTO rules are fair and transparent. 

Nothing to fear for Britain (or scotland) 

[kumnio]

10 minutes ago, Bonny79 said:

No deal brexit would be OK.   The WTO rules are fair and transparent. 

What are these rules?

Name a country who uses them successfully?

Even your wank material Farage couldnt answer the second question, people like you talk absolute utter shite about something that you know nothing about.