hampden_loon2878 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, aaid said: TBH, I'm delighted at that as I had it down as a loss. All the ingredients were there for the Tories to take it. Long standing incumbent standing down, big leave area, Tory MP since 2017 and increased majority in 2019. I'm treating it as picking up a seat. thank alba for that 😜 if alba fail to gain any seats i will take this as their win haha,, chuffed it never went tory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: thank alba for that 😜 if alba fail to gain any seats i will take this as their win haha,, chuffed it never went tory Well it's possible to believe that, with only 772 votes in it, if Alba activists helped boost turnout and SNP1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrisandmoo Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 53 minutes ago, Lamia said: We could have done the same thing with the vaccine procurement within the EU though Sorry are you arguing that vaccine distribution would have been equally or more effective from within the EU? Or are you making a more nuanced point? If the former, that just doesn't seem plausible given the facts: • Europe: COVID-19 vaccination rates by country | Statista Clearly the UK has benefited from being outwith the EU when it comes to vaccination manufacturing and distribution. You can argue whether it's the result of being lucky or good and you can heavily balance that by the fact the UK has had very high relative death rates prior to vaccinations. But you can't argue on the vaccination point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Renfrewshire North and West looking very safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: thank alba for that 😜 if alba fail to gain any seats i will take this as their win haha,, chuffed it never went tory BBC just going over the constituency and has the 2014 result as 40/60, Yes/No. Anyway, you did your bit to hold it so hats off to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Morrisandmoo said: Sorry are you arguing that vaccine distribution would have been equally or more effective from within the EU? Or are you making a more nuanced point? If the former, that just doesn't seem plausible given the facts: • Europe: COVID-19 vaccination rates by country | Statista Clearly the UK has benefited from being outwith the EU when it comes to vaccination manufacturing and distribution. You can argue whether it's the result of being lucky or good and you can heavily balance that by the fact the UK has had very high relative death rates prior to vaccinations. But you can't argue on the vaccination point. EU members didn’t need to join the bulk procurement method so it could have been procured in the same way in or out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDange Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, aaid said: TBH, I'm delighted at that as I had it down as a loss. All the ingredients were there for the Tories to take it. Long standing incumbent standing down, big leave area, Tory MP since 2017 and increased majority in 2019. I'm treating it as picking up a seat. I thought Tories would have taken this one too. A lot of far-right sympathisers up there. Swings and vote share is all good but the win is what actually matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: thank alba for that 😜 if alba fail to gain any seats i will take this as their win haha,, chuffed it never went tory Phew is the word I used but still, I just don't get the North East and its love of the conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrisandmoo Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lamia said: EU members didn’t need to join the bulk procurement method so it could have been procured in the same way in or out. Right , got you. You could have chosen to go it alone an that would have gotten you the better outcome than the EU solution. Yeah I don't think that would convince English voters to re-join the EU 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, kumnio said: The only good news so far is the good people of Dundee doing the right thing, abody else, well... When you see such a massive result for Joe Fitzpatrick in Dundee, then compare that to what happened in Banff & Buchan, it's no wonder that it's hard to predict what the regional result will be for NE Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, Orraloon said: When you see such a massive result for Joe Fitzpatrick in Dundee, then compare that to what happened in Banff & Buchan, it's no wonder that it's hard to predict what the regional result will be for NE Scotland. it was always going to be close here, the media are only trying to make it look like a big swin when infact we lost the GE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) It's swinging all over the place, trying to get a best fit line through that stochastic mess is impossible. Edited May 7, 2021 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, kumnio said: The only good news so far is the good people of Dundee doing the right thing, abody else, well... A lot of time for Dundee as a city. 2nd best in Scotland after Glasgow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, phart said: It's swinging all over the place, trying to get a best fit line through that stochastic mess is impossible. I blame Tommy Sherridan and Alba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, phart said: It's swinging all over the place, try and get a best fit line through the stochastic mess is impossible. John Curtis chat up line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Seeing Labour vote Tory and vice versa with an addition of LibDem in that mix as well is just crippling. No victory for policy or democracy. You could say the same about the Labour voters that have been lost to the SNP historically. If the game is purely about stopping an SNP or Indy majority then this is really no way for our country to continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrisandmoo Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, AlfieMoon said: Seeing Labour vote Tory and vice versa with an addition of LibDem in that mix as well is just crippling. No victory for policy or democracy. You could say the same about the Labour voters that have been lost to the SNP historically. If the game is purely about stopping an SNP or Indy majority then this is really no way for our country to continue. Aye it's murder. Folk voting SNP even though they think they are utter dug shite and folk voting Tories even though they are left wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Sturgeon managing expectations with the majority is long shot chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, phart said: Sturgeon managing expectations with the majority is long shot chat. Rightly so. I’d be totally shocked if they got a majority. Would put it at less than 10% chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Alba polling 2% in Salmondland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Alba polling 2% in Salmondland Where are you seeing that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 Not really looking good for Salmond. In 2016, the last list seat in North East went with 17170. If turnout is up by 10% then it could be closer to 19k this time around. They've released the list numbers for Donside and Alba have only picked up 743 votes. Given that constituency overlaps with the WM constituency of Gordon which Salmond held from 2015-2017 and would be considered part of his "heartland", he really needed to really be getting a few thousand there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Orraloon said: Where are you seeing that? Aberdeen Donside regionals SNP 16233 Alba 743 Tories 8849 Greens 1764 Labour 5283 LD 1728 UKIP 71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) SNP gain from Labour somewhere? From the look of it East Lothian? Edited May 7, 2021 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDange Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, exile said: SNP gain from Labour somewhere? East Lothian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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