vanderark14 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-49526876 A republican flute band was due to march through Govan but a counter demonstration arrived. Even without Hindsight this was a recipe for disaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I wish both sides of this kind of shite would fuck off to banks of the Clyde at low tide for their rammies and get stuck in the mud as the tide rises higher and higher ...... Quite a lot of these republican flute band types are opposed to Scottish independence from my encounters with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 A plague on both their houses. I see there was some representation from Saoradh, the political wing of the Real IRA who were responsible for the murder of Lyra McKee. So basically scumbags from both sides present in Govan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 It was a stupid decision and both sides are morons but to my knowledge the Orange Order are generally allowed to have their procession without this sort of retaliation from the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Munro Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 hour ago, ErsatzThistle said: Quite a lot of these republican flute band types are opposed to Scottish independence from my encounters with them. Which ones? (genuine question). I'm not aware of any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Terry Munro said: Which ones? (genuine question). I'm not aware of any. Over the years I've come across several (don't know what bands they were from) and almost all of them were dead against Scottish independence and were Labour loyalists to the core. "We mustn't separate the British workers", "only the English are stopping you Scots from persecuting us". A lot of utter pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Over the years I've come across several (don't know what bands they were from) and almost all of them were dead against Scottish independence and were Labour loyalists to the core. "We mustn't separate the British workers", "only the English are stopping you Scots from persecuting us". A lot of utter pish. I've heard that one too. It's a stupid argument, IMO, because 1) the English don't know (or particularly care, in most cases) that this nonsense goes on and 2) it ignores the history behind the OO, which was formed by the British authorities to drive a wedge between Irish people in the north who were showing signs of developing a sense of civic identity. Basically, they've picked the wrong enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Munro Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Over the years I've come across several (don't know what bands they were from) and almost all of them were dead against Scottish independence and were Labour loyalists to the core. "We mustn't separate the British workers", "only the English are stopping you Scots from persecuting us". A lot of utter pish. Fair enough. I don't think I know a single republican who didn't vote yes. I see the Daily Record have unsurprisingly reported it as marchers clashing with protesters, which wasn't the case at all. Was protesters clashing with (or running from) the police. Just gimps from the union bears, imperial blues and all those other types of folk who still live in their mother's spare room. That being said, I've always thought that these type of parades (including gay pride any other shite like that) should be held in private parks rather than public roads. That way, those who want to take part/watch can actively choose to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 8 hours ago, aaid said: A plague on both their houses. I see there was some representation from Saoradh, the political wing of the Real IRA who were responsible for the murder of Lyra McKee. So basically scumbags from both sides present in Govan. The claim that Saroadh are the political wing of the Real IRA from tabloid Sunday Life, it's denied by Saroadh. According to the wiki anyway, I had never heard of them had to google. A report in the Sunday Life claimed that Saoradh is linked to the "New IRA", a group formed in 2012 by the merger of the Real Irish Republican Army with several other paramilitary groups. However Jordan has stated that the party is "stand alone" and has no links to any other organisation.[5] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, phart said: The claim that Saroadh are the political wing of the Real IRA from tabloid Sunday Life, it's denied by Saroadh. According to the wiki anyway, I had never heard of them had to google. A report in the Sunday Life claimed that Saoradh is linked to the "New IRA", a group formed in 2012 by the merger of the Real Irish Republican Army with several other paramilitary groups. However Jordan has stated that the party is "stand alone" and has no links to any other organisation.[5] They're lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, phart said: The claim that Saroadh are the political wing of the Real IRA from tabloid Sunday Life, it's denied by Saroadh. According to the wiki anyway, I had never heard of them had to google. A report in the Sunday Life claimed that Saoradh is linked to the "New IRA", a group formed in 2012 by the merger of the Real Irish Republican Army with several other paramilitary groups. However Jordan has stated that the party is "stand alone" and has no links to any other organisation.[5] Well they would say that, wouldn't they. They're hardly going to admit to being associated with an illegal proscribed organisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Munro Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Watch the killing of Lyra McKee documentary on YouTube. There's a piece about Saroadh on there. Don't knowing you know who Dee Fennell is but there's an interview with him on it too. 2 hours ago, phart said: The claim that Saroadh are the political wing of the Real IRA from tabloid Sunday Life, it's denied by Saroadh. According to the wiki anyway, I had never heard of them had to google. A report in the Sunday Life claimed that Saoradh is linked to the "New IRA", a group formed in 2012 by the merger of the Real Irish Republican Army with several other paramilitary groups. However Jordan has stated that the party is "stand alone" and has no links to any other organisation.[5] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I'm sure they are lying i just can't see the evidence that proves it. Right now it's just a conspiracy theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 17 hours ago, TDYER63 said: It was a stupid decision and both sides are morons but to my knowledge the Orange Order are generally allowed to have their procession without this sort of retaliation from the other side. yep - standing up to and righteously defending us from all other forms of sectarian pish which is not their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Munro Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Return of Yermaw said: yep - standing up to and righteously defending us from all other forms of sectarian pish which is not their own. I've already said that these parades shouldn't be allowed on public streets but calling a march in support for a united Ireland "sectarian pish" is just lazy, ignorant shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 48 minutes ago, Terry Munro said: I've already said that these parades shouldn't be allowed on public streets but calling a march in support for a united Ireland "sectarian pish" is just lazy, ignorant shite. You're correct that there's nothing inherently sectarian in support for a united Ireland. However, they lose any moral authority when there's an expression of support for paramilitaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Terry Munro said: I've already said that these parades shouldn't be allowed on public streets but calling a march in support for a united Ireland "sectarian pish" is just lazy, ignorant shite. yes - I lazily and ignorantly determined that a march associated with the Sean McIlvenna band stoked the same sectarian pish as that spouted by the Orange Order....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 These things dont happen by chance Look to see who benefits the most and therein lies the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironbrew Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 On 8/31/2019 at 1:55 PM, Terry Munro said: Fair enough. I don't think I know a single republican who didn't vote yes. I see the Daily Record have unsurprisingly reported it as marchers clashing with protesters, which wasn't the case at all. Was protesters clashing with (or running from) the police. Just gimps from the union bears, imperial blues and all those other types of folk who still live in their mother's spare room. That being said, I've always thought that these type of parades (including gay pride any other shite like that) should be held in private parks rather than public roads. That way, those who want to take part/watch can actively choose to do it. What park in Scotland would be considered private? Sports ground owned/used by a private sports club perhaps. Cricket, rugby or golf club might be big enough. Football stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Munro Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, ironbrew said: What park in Scotland would be considered private? Sports ground owned/used by a private sports club perhaps. Cricket, rugby or golf club might be big enough. Football stadium? Glasgow Green would be considered private when it is shut off for things like Transmit festival, so basically any park they want to hire out for the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Private isn’t fun though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Beem Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 On 8/31/2019 at 12:55 PM, Terry Munro said: Fair enough. I don't think I know a single republican who didn't vote yes. I see the Daily Record have unsurprisingly reported it as marchers clashing with protesters, which wasn't the case at all. Was protesters clashing with (or running from) the police. Just gimps from the union bears, imperial blues and all those other types of folk who still live in their mother's spare room. That being said, I've always thought that these type of parades (including gay pride any other shite like that) should be held in private parks rather than public roads. That way, those who want to take part/watch can actively choose to do it. ‘ Imperial Blues’. 😂😂😂 is that honestly a thing ? Sounds like something out of Star Wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Jim Beem said: ‘ Imperial Blues’. 😂😂😂 is that honestly a thing ? Sounds like something out of Star Wars. Sounds like a new flavour of imperial mint... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 9 hours ago, Alibi said: Sounds like a new flavour of imperial mint... Imperial mince more like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Not really a fan of these republican flute bands or the orange order bands. This event will probably result in less marches which will ultimately be detrimental to the orange order. Saying that the orange order has been in decline for many years now so maybe banning marches might boost support for them. Either way I believe in freedom of speech and the right to peaceful protest so I wouldn't have either sides banned from marching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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