Ally Bongo Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Theses polls are crazy one poll has labour 1 point behind the tories and another 9 and another 3 then 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Just now, King Of Paisley said: Paisley seats are nowhere near three way marginals. Newlands and Mhairi are shoe ins. Unless you are referring to East Ren East Renfrewshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjd1972 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 3 hours ago, weekevie04 said: Fair dues. Think if the SNP can get 44% plus out to vote they should keep many seats. Due to last time there's surely going to be lost seats. Each to their own, but I'd go with : Under 40- disappointing. 40-45 - decent 45-49 - very good 50+ - an excellent night. On the same scale as the 2015 result. Think we'll see a few losses, and don't think it'll be as simple as Perth/Moray etc. Maybe a few Labour wins in the likes of Cumbernauld, East Lothian? Then again there's a few three way marginals where the SNP could sneak it eg Renfrew, Ed South, etc. Who knows though. No chance of Cumbernauld Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East going back to Labour at this election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) The prospect of a hung parliament (however improbable) could throw interesting light on the 'blocking indyref2' question, which so far is just a crude slogan seeking a kneejerk reaction. But just say there was a possibility of a hung parliament, with Labour the largest party seeking support of the SNP. It's not too hard to imagine the SNP asking for permission for indyref2 and the zen-like premier Corbyn agreeing to it. Even the thought of this possibility should concentrate minds on what the Labour position actually is... and by extension, what the Tory position is. That seems to be that you need to vote Tory to stop something that May already has the power to stop, in principle. The argument goes that she wouldn't block it in practice, because it would be politically unpopular. But a Tory surge on an anti indyref ticket would give a mandate to override that assumption, and give permission to actually stop it. But that is really tantamount to giving Westminster the mandate to overrule Holyrood. In other words, a vote to 'say no to Nicola' can be seen as not simply an anti SNP gesture, but an anti-Holyrood one. Put this way it's surprising that there has not been more made of it. Almost the entire Scottish tory campaign - and the most strident part of the Scottish labour and Lib Dem ones - is based on an invitation for Westminster to overrule Holyrood. Which is an odd position from MSPs Davidson, Dugdale and Rennie to aspire to. Edited June 4, 2017 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Survarion poll has SNP 40% tory 27 Labour 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Theres Theresa's increased majority there with that speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, weekevie04 said: Think if the SNP can get 44% plus out to vote they should keep many seats. Due to last time there's surely going to be lost seats. Each to their own, but I'd go with : Under 40- disappointing. 40-45 - decent 45-49 - very good 50+ - an excellent night. On the same scale as the 2015 result. Think we'll see a few losses, and don't think it'll be as simple as Perth/Moray etc. Maybe a few Labour wins in the likes of Cumbernauld, East Lothian? Then again there's a few three way marginals where the SNP could sneak it eg Renfrew, Ed South, etc. Who knows though. Yes I'd agree with at summary. It really is quite hilarious listening to Tories almost wetting their pants about winning a handful of seats in Scotland. My how the mighty have fallen in that a party who have formed so many governments in Westminster and held majorities in Scotland are jizzing off about winning probably less than ten seats. Edited June 4, 2017 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Caledonian Craig said: Yes I'd agree with at summary. It really is quite hilarious listening to Tories almost wetting their pants about winning a handful of seats in Scotland. My how the mighty have fallen in that a party who have formed so many governments in Westminster and held majorities in Scotland are jizzing off about winning probably less than ten seats. Scottish Labour bigging up the Tories already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 54 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Scottish Labour bigging up the Tories already Did you read that article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, andymac said: Did you read that article? Yes - here is more of it if you need it The guy is a cvnt of the highest order look at his wee snipe of lies at the bottom too Run the economy he says - Run the budget he means Edited June 4, 2017 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Dugdales attack on Sturgeon in The Herald is utterly pathetic, she really isn't cut out for leadership, or even politics. Just when Corbyn is making Labour tolerable again, along comes Dugdale to remind me that ScotLab are a massive bunch of cnts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 It surprises me how no one has picked up on how far out the polling for the local elections were, the snp were polling in the high 40's and ended up in the low 30's surely this will not be the same for the GE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 2 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Survarion poll has SNP 40% tory 27 Labour 25 According to Electoral Calculus would give the SNP 45 seats, Tories 10 and Labour 3... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 30 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Yes - here is more of it if you need it The guy is a cvnt of the highest order look at his wee snipe of lies at the bottom too Run the economy he says - Run the budget he means Utter crap. Going by the Tory propaganda forced through my letterbox without my permission it is the Tories and Tories alone making this into a Scotland V Britain thing. The SNP leaflets list their achievements and has no reference to referendums whilst the Tory one is all about vote Tory to preserve the union and NOTHING not one iota about its policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 29 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Utter crap. Going by the Tory propaganda forced through my letterbox without my permission it is the Tories and Tories alone making this into a Scotland V Britain thing. The SNP leaflets list their achievements and has no reference to referendums whilst the Tory one is all about vote Tory to preserve the union and NOTHING not one iota about its policies. Pretty much the same with Labour and the LibDems bumph, with the exception that the Libs don't want us to have another "devisive"* referendum on independence but do want us to have another over Brexit. * I'd like to know how you can have an undevisive referendum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Pretty much the same with Labour and the LibDems bumph, with the exception that the Libs don't want us to have another "devisive"* referendum on independence but do want us to have another over Brexit. * I'd like to know how you can have an undevisive referendum? Plus the Tories have no gripes about holding a snap election three years early that is devisive as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 1 hour ago, kumnio said: Dugdales attack on Sturgeon in The Herald is utterly pathetic, she really isn't cut out for leadership, or even politics. Just when Corbyn is making Labour tolerable again, along comes Dugdale to remind me that ScotLab are a massive bunch of cnts. I suppose Dugdale hasn't got the sense to realise that the Tories gaining seats in Scotland at SNP expense might actually help keep Labour out of power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Toepoke said: According to Electoral Calculus would give the SNP 45 seats, Tories 10 and Labour 3... 46 at Scotland votes And http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/swingometer/2015?region=scotland&SNP=40&LAB=25&CON=27&LD=5&UKIP=1.62&GRN=1.35 Edited June 4, 2017 by flumax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: I suppose Dugdale hasn't got the sense to realise that the Tories gaining seats in Scotland at SNP expense might actually help keep Labour out of power She does realise Brings us back to the Union at all costs Thats the Labour party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 New statesman model predicting no change in snp seats today (4/6/17) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 36 minutes ago, flumax said: New statesman model predicting no change in snp seats today (4/6/17) 54 would be a 2 seat drop, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 18 hours ago, wheres the pies said: Theses polls are crazy one poll has labour 1 point behind the tories and another 9 and another 3 then 6 no polls have been near right in about 10 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) For those who are independently minded and would like to back a worthy cause https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/journey-to-yes-film#/ Edited June 4, 2017 by Hertsscot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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