Ally Bongo Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 On reflection i think we have to be careful with the whole who voted Tory analysis Larkhall voted SNP as did Carluke (Clydesdale) - both big Unionist areas Despite the MSM telling everyone of a Tory anti second referendum slap to the SNP was it really ? Or is it just a case of the Da Honte system doing what it is supposed to do and 2011 being a complete fluke ? After all - more people voted for the SNP in constituency votes than ever before and won more constituency seats than ever before The SNP vote was up from 2011 and they polled more than Labour and Tories combined Yet all we get is massive airtime for Ruth Davidson ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: On reflection i think we have to be careful with the whole who voted Tory analysis Larkhall voted SNP as did Carluke (Clydesdale) - both big Unionist areas Despite the MSM telling everyone of a Tory anti second referendum slap to the SNP was it really ? Or is it just a case of the Da Honte system doing what it is supposed to do and 2011 being a complete fluke ? After all - more people voted for the SNP in constituency votes than ever before and won more constituency seats than ever before The SNP vote was up from 2011 and they polled more than Labour and Tories combined Yet all we get is massive airtime for Ruth Davidson ? Would you like to sum up this thread for me as I'm up for it Plastic Socialists fukced got what was coming to them again, SNP win,don't want to vote SNP only alternative Tory. Is that it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 8 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: On reflection i think we have to be careful with the whole who voted Tory analysis Larkhall voted SNP as did Carluke (Clydesdale) - both big Unionist areas Despite the MSM telling everyone of a Tory anti second referendum slap to the SNP was it really ? Or is it just a case of the Da Honte system doing what it is supposed to do and 2011 being a complete fluke ? After all - more people voted for the SNP in constituency votes than ever before and won more constituency seats than ever before The SNP vote was up from 2011 and they polled more than Labour and Tories combined Yet all we get is massive airtime for Ruth Davidson ? I think it's the shock/surprise factor of Tories getting so many votes as well as Labour crumbling in their former die hard Scotland, It's headline news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 3 hours ago, Scunnered said: Does he? I've never seen that. You're no going to see that if you never read it (as you have claimed often enough) ya daftie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 5 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: Would you like to sum up this thread for me as I'm up for it Plastic Socialists fukced got what was coming to them again, SNP win,don't want to vote SNP only alternative Tory. Is that it. my take is that 10% of people who voted Labour in 2011 voted Tory in 2016 Presumably this 10% were Labour No voters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu101 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 18 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Or is it just a case of the Da Honte system doing what it is supposed to do and 2011 being a complete fluke ? 2011 shouldn't have happened, according to the political theory behind the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu101 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 11 minutes ago, fringo said: I think it's the shock/surprise factor of Tories getting so many votes as well as Labour crumbling in their former die hard Scotland, It's headline news. Plus, if your a political journalist working in Scotland over the last five years, it must have got pretty boring at some points/ So this is big. But, yeah, anyway genuinely cant see where labour go from here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stu101 said: Plus, if your a political journalist working in Scotland over the last five years, it must have got pretty boring at some points/ So this is big. But, yeah, anyway genuinely cant see where labour go from here. Curl up and die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 51 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: Not read any of this thread or taken much interest in this vote but my understanding is that the 'plastic' socialists got fcud, SNP win, proper Tories 2nd in Scotland. Seems alright to me. As someone who would probably label themselves, if pushed, as an 'International Socialist', it gives me great pleasure to see to see the Labour party in Scotland fcued, No, no ,no SNP lost the election. Folk on the BBC told us that umpteen times this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu101 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: Curl up and die? I would suggest already dead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 4 minutes ago, Stu101 said: I would suggest already dead... They are not dead yet. Pretty much the same share of the vote as the Ruth Davidson party and they are celebrating. The local elections could be the fatal blow though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, Orraloon said: They are not dead yet. Pretty much the same share of the vote as the Ruth Davidson party and they are celebrating. The local elections could be the fatal blow though? They have no votes, no vision, no principles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Just now, Eisegerwind said: They have no votes, no vision, no principles. They have about the same amount of votes as the Ruth Davidson Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 1 hour ago, iainmac1 said: Lib Dems popping champagne and celebrating. They gained no seats and were overtaken by the Greens. A bit cringy even watching it. Obviously celebrating not being wiped out. That was bizarre, and shows how low they have sunk. From a party once in government, they are now happy to celebrate 5th place, while shedding any strategic principles in order simply to win isolated constituencies on different local principles and on the back of unionist tactical voting, and leaving a trail of lost deposits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 23 minutes ago, Orraloon said: They have about the same amount of votes as the Ruth Davidson Party. OK read a bit of the thread where the results were, disappointed to see they got so many. Some votes, no vision, no principles. And while I'm at it 'Never trust a Tory, or a Tory in disguise,You can see it when you look them in the eye!' Has got to be one of the hsittest sigs ever. Torys will fukc you, we know that, they're capitalists,it's there job, it's the plastic socialists you've got to watch out for, they'll fukc, you as well while telling you they're your pal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 56 minutes ago, Stu101 said: 2011 shouldn't have happened, according to the political theory behind the system. The theory suggests it shouldn't happen, but the reason why it happened was because we use regional D'Hondt, not national D'Hondt. This means that the SNP could win nearly every seat in a region and still pick up list seats, if they achieved around 50% in that regional list - as what happened in the North East in 2011. Although, the SNP would've won a majority last night if just 1,037 (or 3%) Green list voters in Lothian and 2,066 (or 12%) Green voters in the West of Scotland had voted SNP on the list. It was quite close to happening again in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 An interesting result. Even more so that Nicola has came out already stating she'll go with a minority government. D'Hondt isn't the greatest system, but is reasonably fair compared to something like FPTP. Not really sure how I feel. I was tempted to vote Green on the list and probably should have with hindsight (NE region) but happy to see they won some seats across Scotland and seem to have done well out of the voting system regards numbers and share of the vote. The SNP will also have to focus again and won't be able to steam roll through legislation or clog up committees, and I say that as an SNP member. Hopefully we might see something bolder regards taxation and land reform, but they may well look for support elsewhere for budgets/bills. Seen a few SNP fanatics on social media blaming the Greens which is a bit rich considering there was a meme going around last year "vote with your head in 15, vote with your heart 16'' trying to attract Green voters. Nothing has changed regards the constitution, both the Greens and the SNP have said similar things in that there will be a referendum when people want one - and the Greens will back that, two thirds of their members joined after the referendum and they ken where their bread is buttered. Should be an interesting five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Interesting things happening in the NI Assembly. SF Losing a seat in West Belfast to the People before Profit Alliance is maybe a sign of a break from the past. Also the Greens taking one seat is a positive. However the DUP have increased their seats to 33 at the expense of the UUP which is probably a negative. Looks like the DUP and SF will be falling out with each other for a bit longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Will be interesting to see Davidson trying to explain away her London bosses latest round of unpopular welfare cuts in the coming months and years. Think I'll get the popcorn out for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 9 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: my take is that 10% of people who voted Labour in 2011 voted Tory in 2016 Presumably this 10% were Labour No voters I think that's essentially it. Pro-independence parties got 47% of the vote, pro-Union got 53%. Essentially same as the referendum. The Tories had some success in setting themselves up as the ant-referendum party, and Labour are in disarray. The SNP vote was strong in the constituencies, but there seems to have been a bit of tactical voting for the Greens in the regional vote. The Lib Dems lost votes in the constituencies, but there vote was roughly the same overall, although they have fallen to fifth overall. The SNP remain by far the biggest party and will form a government. The media portray this as a victory for the Tories and, to a lesser extent, the Lib Dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Unionists have two ways they will vote - Labour or Conservative. The last general election was meltdown for them in Scotland. Both were blanked due to them being seen as mere puppets to Westminster and a vote for them was a vote wasted. Since that debacle the Tories have moved to distance themselves from their Westminster big brother and laid out their plans and came firmly down on where they stand on independence. Labour have done none of this and for that they have suffered and will continue to do so until they follow suit - distancing themselves from Westminster and concentrating on re-inventing itself with a new outlook. The way I see it they are the only options for staunch unionists and always will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 53 minutes ago, Pool Q said: The SNP remain by far the biggest party and will form a government. The media portray this as a victory for the Tories and, to a lesser extent, the Lib Dems. Wining 59 constituencies has never been done at any Scottish election, Holyrood or Westminster. Yet there's been nary a mention of this record... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Wining 59 constituencies has never been done at any Scottish election, Holyrood or Westminster. Yet there's been nary a mention of this record... Exactly. But do you know what Toepoke? I really do believe referendum talk should be cooled for now. The SNP should knuckle own and show what they can do running the country and by doing that they'll win over far more naysayers than keeping on about another referendum. Patience is the word here. Wait until victory is guatranteed and that wouldn't be the case just now. Why waste a chance on no chance if you see what I mean. We have waited hundreds of years so a few more is not going to hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannannan Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 6 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Wining 59 constituencies has never been done at any Scottish election, Holyrood or Westminster. Yet there's been nary a mention of this record... jep it's so depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Pretty incredible that there are 108 seats in the NI Assembly for a population of 1.9m whilst there are 108 seats at Holyrood for a population 5.3m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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