Scotland squad

[ProudScot]

1 hour ago, mccaughey85 said:

Theres a fair few i would prefer to halkett. Surprised gallagher never got called, thought he played well when he had his chances and has been unfairly shunted out if the picture altogether.

I think we will be seeing mctominay cover at cb for these friendlies.

Yeah agreed. Porteous surely ahead of Halkett you’d think. 

Ralston as right cb also doesn’t sound too bad. 

[mccaughey85]

33 minutes ago, ProudScot said:

Yeah agreed. Porteous surely ahead of Halkett you’d think. 

Ralston as right cb also doesn’t sound too bad. 

I think porteous would of been called up if he wasnt such a daft idiot. Seems like hes either getting sent off or getting into trouble off the pitch.

[0Neils40yarder]

2 hours ago, Diamond Scot said:

That wouldnt be saying much at Motherwell to be fair lol

Whatever you think about Motherwell, it doesn't really matter...you've made a statement that Kelly has been poor this season which couldn't be further from the truth. He is an excellent goalkeeper...not of the standard of Gordon, granted but there aren't many that are.

[Diamond Scot]

20 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

Whatever you think about Motherwell, it doesn't really matter...you've made a statement that Kelly has been poor this season which couldn't be further from the truth. He is an excellent goalkeeper...not of the standard of Gordon, granted but there aren't many that are.

He has conceeded nearly 1.5 goals per game he has played on this season. Theres a reason he is a Motherwell player. In the same way there is a reason why McGlaughlin isnt a number 1 at Rangers. Neither are anywhere near top class.

I can only base my opinion of him on the highlights ive seen so not professing to being an expert on him. He just doesnt seem to do anything special when ive seen him and Motherwell seem to lose alot of avoidable goals. Not all of this is his fault obviously but some of it will be.

[0Neils40yarder]

22 minutes ago, Diamond Scot said:

He has conceeded nearly 1.5 goals per game he has played on this season. Theres a reason he is a Motherwell player. In the same way there is a reason why McGlaughlin isnt a number 1 at Rangers. Neither are anywhere near top class.

I can only base my opinion of him on the highlights ive seen so not professing to being an expert on him. He just doesnt seem to do anything special when ive seen him and Motherwell seem to lose alot of avoidable goals. Not all of this is his fault obviously but some of it will be.

You're all over the place on this one now...which Scottish goalkeepers are playing at a higher level than Kelly? 

I'll make it easy for you...there are none. He is the best we have, other than Gordon and he is in very good form and has been all season.

[Caledonian Craig]

McLaughlin is 34 years old and played a grand total of 50 games in top flight football in his life. That says lots.

Plus is is easy to appear a good keeper with a strong team around you. It is like being wrapped in cotton wool and being largely untested. The tests for Rangers this season have largely come in European games and Old Firm games which McLaughlin has not featured in.

Kelly and Clark do not play is strong all-round teams so they are exposed far more, tested more with shots to save. I have no doubt they may have conceded more goals than McLaughlin but it is to be expected due to the teams they play for.

[Diamond Scot]

17 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

You're all over the place on this one now...which Scottish goalkeepers are playing at a higher level than Kelly? 

I'll make it easy for you...there are none. He is the best we have, other than Gordon and he is in very good form and has been all season.

As ive stated several times already, ive no real strong views on McLaughlin, Kelly or Clarke. None if them are ideal replacements if Gordon got injured. Ive given my reasons why I personally would have McLaughlin as number 2 which are mainly based on the view that he has been solid when called upon for Rangers which I believe can be a harder shift. People think being a GK for a side at the top of a league is easier but thats not always the case. Look at Vargas or Bain at Celtic. You can pull off 2 or 3 good saves at a lower club and look good but still conceede 2 or 3 times and nobody bats an eye.

With regards to you making it easier for me. You havent really as both McGlaghlin and Clark have played in Europe this season which is a higher level than Kelly has played but I stand to be corrected or told that doesnt count. 

[Diamond Scot]

6 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said:

McLaughlin is 34 years old and played a grand total of 50 games in top flight football in his life. That says lots.

Plus is is easy to appear a good keeper with a strong team around you. It is like being wrapped in cotton wool and being largely untested. The tests for Rangers this season have largely come in European games and Old Firm games which McLaughlin has not featured in.

Kelly and Clark do not play is strong all-round teams so they are exposed far more, tested more with shots to save. I have no doubt they may have conceded more goals than McLaughlin but it is to be expected due to the teams they play for.

Its a swings and roundabouts argument to some extent. For example if their was a playoff game tomorrow and Gordon was injured would you rather play the GK who is used to stepping in without much game time and not conceeding goals or the GKs who play week in week out but averages conceding more than a goal and a half per game?

McGlaughlin is a number 2 so not ideal. Both Kelly and Clark's level appear to be lower end Scottish Prem sides so again not ideal.

I think what it shows is that we badly need somebody to come through and get a string of games who we can confidently say will make be the future and then we can bed them in where possible. Sadly im not seeing many who fit that catergory. Many have high hopes for McCrorie at Rangers but I can only see him wasting his time there.

[mccaughey85]

This discussion shows how poor our goalkeeping options are. Lol Might even have to turn to angus gunn in the near future. We need gordon to last as long as possible and maybe marshall to regain some form/confidence.

[scotlad]

2 hours ago, mccaughey85 said:

I think porteous would of been called up if he wasnt such a daft idiot. Seems like hes either getting sent off or getting into trouble off the pitch.

Porteous seems like a total loose cannon - not what you want in a centre-half at all.

It's a pity, because bar his temperament he has the attributes to be a really good player. Christ, how many young Hibs players could you have said that about over the years?? 😂

Going by the 'Who Scored?' website Halkett seems like a solid enough defender.  Maybe not of international standard but you can only go with what you've got.

1 hour ago, Diamond Scot said:

He has conceeded nearly 1.5 goals per game he has played on this season. Theres a reason he is a Motherwell player. In the same way there is a reason why McGlaughlin isnt a number 1 at Rangers. Neither are anywhere near top class.

I can only base my opinion of him on the highlights ive seen so not professing to being an expert on him. He just doesnt seem to do anything special when ive seen him and Motherwell seem to lose alot of avoidable goals. Not all of this is his fault obviously but some of it will be.

Andy Goram was once our first choice goalie while playing for a pish Hibs team; he turned out to be one of the best goalies we've ever had.

It could be that if it wasn't for Kelly that Motherwell would be in a worse position in the league.

[Diamond Scot]

1 hour ago, mccaughey85 said:

This discussion shows how poor our goalkeeping options are. Lol Might even have to turn to angus gunn in the near future. We need gordon to last as long as possible and maybe marshall to regain some form/confidence.

IMO Angus Gunn is worse than our existing options. 

[Hertsscot]

Looking at Southgate 's England squad I'm surprised to see that Livrimento has been overlooked (assuming he's not injured) I'd like Stevie Clarke to do what McLeish did with McTominay, get down to Southampton's training ground and persuade him that he picks us.

[Arbroath1320]

14 minutes ago, Hertsscot said:

Looking at Southgate 's England squad I'm surprised to see that Livrimento has been overlooked (assuming he's not injured) I'd like Stevie Clarke to do what McLeish did with McTominay, get down to Southampton's training ground and persuade him that he picks us.

Sorry - disagree. If LIvramento wants to play for Scotland, there's nothing stopping him picking up the phone and giving the SFA a call or, if he wants to be discreet, telling his agent to have a quiet word with Steve Clarke. There's no dignity in a Scotland manager trying to persuade England Under-21 players to take Scotland as a second choice. The McTominay case is slightly different because he had never declared for England.

[theabsentee]

11 hours ago, ProudScot said:

Clarke is a strange one.

Hes been available for anyone for probably around £500,000 ish for years and there hasn’t been much or any interest in him. 

Be interesting to see the level he moves to after this summer.

Is there a reason no team a level up from St Johnstone has tried to get him; lack of distribution or something missing from his game. 

I've often wondered the same thing, he wouldn't cost major money so it's strange not even a English championship level club have yet tried to sign him. 

[ProudScot]

33 minutes ago, Arbroath1320 said:

Sorry - disagree. If LIvramento wants to play for Scotland, there's nothing stopping him picking up the phone and giving the SFA a call or, if he wants to be discreet, telling his agent to have a quiet word with Steve Clarke. There's no dignity in a Scotland manager trying to persuade England Under-21 players to take Scotland as a second choice. The McTominay case is slightly different because he had never declared for England.

He’s never declared for England and England also never showed any interest in him at any level. 

I can see Livramento choosing Scotland still tbh. 

[ErsatzThistle]

36 minutes ago, ProudScot said:

He’s never declared for England and England also never showed any interest in him at any level. 

I can see Livramento choosing Scotland still tbh. 

That's not true

Livramento has played for England at every level from U15s upwards.

He's currently with their U21s with whom he has played three times.

[thesaint]

Enough.This is where this should end.

[mccaughey85]

1 hour ago, ProudScot said:

He’s never declared for England and England also never showed any interest in him at any level. 

I can see Livramento choosing Scotland still tbh. 

Good chance portugal will snap him up. They have good options at right back but england are insane for right backs and it will be tough to get into their squad.

[mccaughey85]

4 hours ago, scotlad said:

Porteous seems like a total loose cannon - not what you want in a centre-half at all.

It's a pity, because bar his temperament he has the attributes to be a really good player. Christ, how many young Hibs players could you have said that about over the years?? 😂

Going by the 'Who Scored?' website Halkett seems like a solid enough defender.  Maybe not of international standard but you can only go with what you've got.

Andy Goram was once our first choice goalie while playing for a pish Hibs team; he turned out to be one of the best goalies we've ever had.

It could be that if it wasn't for Kelly that Motherwell would be in a worse position in the league.

Lol hibs specialise in ned footballers.

[Diamond Scot]

2 hours ago, Arbroath1320 said:

Sorry - disagree. If LIvramento wants to play for Scotland, there's nothing stopping him picking up the phone and giving the SFA a call or, if he wants to be discreet, telling his agent to have a quiet word with Steve Clarke. There's no dignity in a Scotland manager trying to persuade England Under-21 players to take Scotland as a second choice. The McTominay case is slightly different because he had never declared for England.

There would be nothing stopping Clarke paying a visit to Adams and Armstrong, watching a couple of training sessions and then grabbing an informal chat with Livramento in the passing. Feeling wanted can make a huge difference to a human being.

[Texas Pete]

1 hour ago, Diamond Scot said:

There would be nothing stopping Clarke paying a visit to Adams and Armstrong, watching a couple of training sessions and then grabbing an informal chat with Livramento in the passing. Feeling wanted can make a huge difference to a human being.

I’m pretty sure that type of thing is frowned upon. 

[ProudScot]

10 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said:

That's not true

Livramento has played for England at every level from U15s upwards.

He's currently with their U21s with whom he has played three times.

I’m talking about mctominay 😂 

[Hertsscot]

10 hours ago, Diamond Scot said:

There would be nothing stopping Clarke paying a visit to Adams and Armstrong, watching a couple of training sessions and then grabbing an informal chat with Livramento in the passing. Feeling wanted can make a huge difference to a human being.

That last sentence is so important in any type of work and football will be no exception. Plenty of players will have split allegiances due to parentage, place of birth, upbringing etc. Plenty of players have flipped from one national set up to another (loved it when Ben White scored his try in the Calcutta Cup even though he had been in the full England squad previously).

None of us know what goes on behind the scenes but Livremento is a class act and I'd like to feel that we are making overtures to him. 

[thesaint]

2 hours ago, Hertsscot said:

That last sentence is so important in any type of work and football will be no exception. Plenty of players will have split allegiances due to parentage, place of birth, upbringing etc. Plenty of players have flipped from one national set up to another (loved it when Ben White scored his try in the Calcutta Cup even though he had been in the full England squad previously).

None of us know what goes on behind the scenes but Livremento is a class act and I'd like to feel that we are making overtures to him. 

Give it a rest. The situation in rugby makes a mockery of the whole concept behind INTERNATIONAL sport. You should live or die with the SCOTTISH players you have. It makes it all the sweeter when you get a bit of success. To go searching out guys with no afinity to SCOTLAND blurs the lines between international and club football. It actually starts to threaten the existance of international football. What is the point of it, if the qualification rules to play for a country are so lax? What pleasure can you get out of doing well with a lot of guys who don't even consider themselves SCOTTISH. I know some of you will say as long as we win then that is all that matters. So wrong. Club football is there for that. Winning at international football only really means anything if you do it with players who are born here or at the least are commited to us through parentage. Going asking guys who have already commited to engand or any other country defeats the whole concept of international football. Before Che adams gets mentioned, i've already made my feelings known on that topic. 

[vanderark14]

7 minutes ago, thesaint said:

Give it a rest. The situation in rugby makes a mockery of the whole concept behind INTERNATIONAL sport. You should live or die with the SCOTTISH players you have. It makes it all the sweeter when you get a bit of success. To go searching out guys with no afinity to SCOTLAND blurs the lines between international and club football. It actually starts to threaten the existance of international football. What is the point of it, if the qualification rules to play for a country are so lax? What pleasure can you get out of doing well with a lot of guys who don't even consider themselves SCOTTISH. I know some of you will say as long as we win then that is all that matters. So wrong. Club football is there for that. Winning at international football only really means anything if you do it with players who are born here or at the least are commited to us through parentage. Going asking guys who have already commited to engand or any other country defeats the whole concept of international football. Before Che adams gets mentioned, i've already made my feelings known on that topic. 

If anyone should give it a rest, it's you.