aaid Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 2 hours ago, vanderark14 said: I think we both know that's bollocks. You're clutching at straws You started following HL around now you've moved to thplinth but it's worse now, you've even admitted you took him off ignore because someone has to call out his bull shit. You know fuck all and if you believe his bullshit you’re an even bigger fool than I thought you were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, aaid said: That game took place at a febrile point in Ukrainian politics but clearly that passed you by at the time. No it didn't. Pretty sure I mentioned the demos. Not sure why that stoops people helping someone who looked dead in a car accident to be honest Edited March 6, 2022 by Lamia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 8 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: https://newrepublic.com/article/165603/carlson-russia-ukraine-imperialism-nato Cheers. Written by a pro-NATO Pole basically saying he wants to be in NATO, but Mearsheimer explicitly sites Poland as of strategic interest to NATO/US. i.e. agrees with him in that case. 4 hours ago, SpecialisedOutsourcing said: Ignoring Hamid's ya-boo-sucks. Reading the interview, I see nothing much different from the earlier lecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 1 hour ago, aaid said: You know fuck all and if you believe his bullshit you’re an even bigger fool than I thought you were. I didn't say anything about believing him. You're clearly rattled so I'll leave it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Lamia said: No it didn't. Pretty sure I mentioned the demos. Not sure why that stoops people helping someone who looked dead in a car accident to be honest Just watching Michael Palin there talking about his second visit to Ukraine in 2006, his first was in 1991 for Pole to Pole, and he was talking about how tense and politically charged the atmosphere was at that time. I guess a car accident trumps that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 2 hours ago, ThistleWhistle said: Turned on Al Jazeera for 5 minutes and learnt a three hour meeting took place between Russia and Israel on the sabbath with Bennett's right hand man in the discussion Ukrainian: https://www.reuters.com/world/israeli-pm-bennett-meets-putin-moscow-discuss-ukraine-crisis-2022-03-05/ Seems a pretty big development not to be leading with here let alone barely report at all. It was reported on BBC News 24 last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 17 hours ago, Malcolm said: you have to stand up to bullies, even if it means the potential end of the world. Putin is not going to nuke anyone - it’s mutually assured destruction. End of the world ! Let's hope we learn our lesson after that then. I refer you back to the Blackadder video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 6 hours ago, SpecialisedOutsourcing said: Jesus fucking Christ. Actually his middle name was Hamilton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: It was reported on BBC News 24 last night Watched couple of hours last night and an hour this morning and I never heard about it so it hasn't exactly been prominent. I've just had a look on BBC too under the Ukraine page including yesterday's live feed and couldn't see anything again suggesting if they have reported it its not being given much prominence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Grim Jim said: Cheers. Written by a pro-NATO Pole basically saying he wants to be in NATO, but Mearsheimer explicitly sites Poland as of strategic interest to NATO/US. i.e. agrees with him in that case. Ignoring Hamid's ya-boo-sucks. Reading the interview, I see nothing much different from the earlier lecture. At about 43 minutes into the lecture was absolutely chilling. Predicting in 2015 Ukraine would be led down the Primrose path to their destruction through misplaced trust in the west.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 It's open to critique though cause he is basically saying Ukraine can't join Europe cause if they do due to his "realist philosophy" Russia will invade, as larger nations seek to dominate smaller ones for their own ends. Ukraine should be free to choose join europe if they want to, the issue is larger nations dominating smaller nations for their own ends and using force to do it. Now obviously folk are playing real politik with expansion of their spheres of influence, you can understand the mechanisms and the causal trees but using your military to impose your will is wrong, no matter how short as skirt she is wearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 1 hour ago, ThistleWhistle said: Watched couple of hours last night and an hour this morning and I never heard about it so it hasn't exactly been prominent. I've just had a look on BBC too under the Ukraine page including yesterday's live feed and couldn't see anything again suggesting if they have reported it its not being given much prominence Zelensky asked Israel to intervene a week ago Presumably Israel asking Putin to lay off the shelling of innocents etc would have been laughed out of the Kremlin and there was nothing new to report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Zelensky asked Israel to intervene a week ago Presumably Israel asking Putin to lay off the shelling of innocents etc would have been laughed out of the Kremlin and there was nothing new to report Meeting lasted three hours including talks on Syria and Iran and was arranged via Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 2 hours ago, ThistleWhistle said: Watched couple of hours last night and an hour this morning and I never heard about it so it hasn't exactly been prominent. I've just had a look on BBC too under the Ukraine page including yesterday's live feed and couldn't see anything again suggesting if they have reported it its not being given much prominence Two things. Firstly, a network like Al Jazeera will more than likely give more prominence to any intervention by Israel for pretty obvious reasons as it's a regional power. Secondly, by your own admission you only watched 5 minutes of Al Jazeera but you seem to think that this was being treated as a major story. It may well have been but you don't know as you only watched 5 minutes of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 53 minutes ago, phart said: It's open to critique though cause he is basically saying Ukraine can't join Europe cause if they do due to his "realist philosophy" Russia will invade, as larger nations seek to dominate smaller ones for their own ends. Ukraine should be free to choose join europe if they want to, the issue is larger nations dominating smaller nations for their own ends and using force to do it. Now obviously folk are playing real politik with expansion of their spheres of influence, you can understand the mechanisms and the causal trees but using your military to impose your will is wrong, no matter how short as skirt she is wearing. I imagine this strain of "realist philosophy" would equally apply to an independent Scotland seeking to join the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, phart said: It's open to critique though cause he is basically saying Ukraine can't join Europe cause if they do due to his "realist philosophy" Russia will invade, as larger nations seek to dominate smaller ones for their own ends. Ukraine should be free to choose join europe if they want to, the issue is larger nations dominating smaller nations for their own ends and using force to do it. Now obviously folk are playing real politik with expansion of their spheres of influence, you can understand the mechanisms and the causal trees but using your military to impose your will is wrong, no matter how short as skirt she is wearing. That's a bit I don't get - Putin seems hell bent on keeping the Eastern bits but if the western bit joins the EU he ends up with the border he wanted to avoid in the first place. Taking the hump at a puppet Western state on his doorstep is a bit rich given he's got the exact same thing going on with Belarus Edited March 6, 2022 by ThistleWhistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Id say the odds on Putin being executed by his own side are rising by the day. A lot of very wealthy Russians won't like the way that this is going, he might well end up going too far for even them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 3 hours ago, aaid said: Just watching Michael Palin there talking about his second visit to Ukraine in 2006, his first was in 1991 for Pole to Pole, and he was talking about how tense and politically charged the atmosphere was at that time. I guess a car accident trumps that. If you want to keep missing the point crack on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said: That's a bit I don't get - Putin seems hell bent on keeping the Eastern bits but if the western bit joins the EU he ends up with the border he wanted to avoid in the first place. Taking the hump at a puppet Western state on his doorstep is a bit rich given he's got the exact same thing going on with Belarus The whole domain is dominated by folk thinking it is a game at some level. It's toxic as fuck and leaves a trail of dead pawns in the wake of it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 3 hours ago, aaid said: Just watching Michael Palin there talking about his second visit to Ukraine in 2006, his first was in 1991 for Pole to Pole, and he was talking about how tense and politically charged the atmosphere was at that time. I guess a car accident trumps that. You don’t seem to realise that you are actually backing up what I am saying 🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-state-tv-just-blew-up-putins-nazi-ukraine-bullshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, phart said: The whole domain is dominated by folk thinking it is a game at some level. It's toxic as fuck and leaves a trail of dead pawns in the wake of it all. Putin is an arsehole no doubt but cheering on the locals to chuck themselves in front of the Russian war machine like Zapp Brannigan's strategy to tackle the Killbots just seems absolutely grotesque too. Those in powerful positions seem to be playing a mix of Risk and high stakes poker with Ukraine looking like accepted collateral damage to the main protagonists. I can't see a way out apart from Ukraine getting shafted and China just keeping an eye on things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialisedOutsourcing Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said: Putin is an arsehole no doubt but cheering on the locals to chuck themselves in front of the Russian war machine like Zapp Brannigan's strategy to tackle the Killbots just seems absolutely grotesque too. Those in powerful positions seem to be playing a mix of Risk and high stakes poker with Ukraine looking like accepted collateral damage to the main protagonists. I can't see a way out apart from Ukraine getting shafted and China just keeping an eye on things. Big protest in St. Petersburg today - and people beginning to fight back against the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialisedOutsourcing Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 One neo nazi liberated by the police here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialisedOutsourcing Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Liberators inspecting cell phones for evidence of neo nazi support: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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