Grim Jim Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1832 & 1848 European revolutions were amid cholera epidemics, and despite what we heard, for many war did not end in 1918 (The Vanquished: Why the First World War Failed to End by Robert Gerwarth). The 'Spanish' flu was rampant in 1818 and maybe claimed more victims than the war. Of course, when our leaders are more interested in their hedge funds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 8 hours ago, exile said: That is the preferred Tory way, in my lifetime at least. Keep it in-house. Thatcher -> Major. Cameron -> May -> Johnson. (Also IDS -> Howard, sort of) When this is over, I'll bet the 1922 Committee long knives will be out for Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolling hIlls Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, King Of Paisley said: When this is over, I'll bet the 1922 Committee long knives will be out for Johnson. Every leader has his day. Even Kings of Paisley! Sturgeon has shown herself to be a good leader imo. Far better than Johnson. The tories will be ruing the day he was appointed. Teresa May would have handled this thing better. Maybe a woman thing Tyder! But seriously I think she would have. Or Daffy Duck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, Rolling hIlls said: Every leader has his day. Even Kings of Paisley! Sturgeon has shown herself to be a good leader imo. Far better than Johnson. The tories will be ruing the day he was appointed. Teresa May would have handled this thing better. Maybe a woman thing Tyder! But seriously I think she would have. Or Daffy Duck. I'm not sure she would've TBH. I think she'd have been across the detail a lot more than Johnson was/is but she was shown up for being something of a ditherer herself so I'm not sure that she'd have taken earlier or stronger action. Also her somewhat wooden persona and apparent lack of empathy would've made it difficult for her to engage with public and get the message across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolling hIlls Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 33 minutes ago, aaid said: I'm not sure she would've TBH. I think she'd have been across the detail a lot more than Johnson was/is but she was shown up for being something of a ditherer herself so I'm not sure that she'd have taken earlier or stronger action. Also her somewhat wooden persona and apparent lack of empathy would've made it difficult for her to engage with public and get the message across. Will you stop tripping me up!!!! Aye agree with you there mate. Maybe Michael Gove is the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, Rolling hIlls said: Will you stop tripping me up!!!! Aye agree with you there mate. Maybe Michael Gove is the answer. If the answer is Michael Gove then fuck knows what the question must be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 37 minutes ago, aaid said: If the answer is Michael Gove then fuck knows what the question must be. I could think of a good few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 No deaths registered again yesterday - usual caveat about weekend numbers generally being under-reported. Oh, and the gloves finally came off. https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/1269976281019531264?s=20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo fae Ayr Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 55 minutes ago, aaid said: Oh, and the gloves finally came off. Not before time , the Scottish Tories are a f@cking disgrace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 4 hours ago, aaid said: No deaths registered again yesterday - usual caveat about weekend numbers generally being under-reported. Oh, and the gloves finally came off. https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/1269976281019531264?s=20 Finally, on yersel Nicola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Some interesting stuff from today's briefing. They've completed the work on genomic sequencing and have identified over a hundred - I think 112 - different strains of the virus in cases in Scotland. In effect, that means that 112 people brought the virus into Scotland and all the cases subsequently are from those initial infections, I don't think it means there are 112 materially different versions of the virus in circulation. They also think that there may have been a small number of cases in February, which was before any previous notifications. They also point to continental Europe as being the epicentre, ie. most of the infections in Scotland were brought in by people coming from there. They also talked specifically about the Nike conference. There were 8 notified and confirmed cases from that conference. They've identified a further three cases that share similarities with the Nike cases but which also have closer similarities with other strains. If I apply my rudimentary understanding of genetics from genealogy, I imagine that means that they weren't connected to the Nike conference directly but that they share the root infection with whoever was the case 0 for Nike. It also shows that the steps taken to close down the Nike outbreak worked, rather than it being ground zero as some have claimed. Outwith conspiracy theorists, I suspect that'll be the last we'll hear about Nike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, aaid said: Some interesting stuff from today's briefing. They've completed the work on genomic sequencing and have identified over a hundred - I think 112 - different strains of the virus in cases in Scotland. In effect, that means that 112 people brought the virus into Scotland and all the cases subsequently are from those initial infections, I don't think it means there are 112 materially different versions of the virus in circulation. They also think that there may have been a small number of cases in February, which was before any previous notifications. They also point to continental Europe as being the epicentre, ie. most of the infections in Scotland were brought in by people coming from there. They also talked specifically about the Nike conference. There were 8 notified and confirmed cases from that conference. They've identified a further three cases that share similarities with the Nike cases but which also have closer similarities with other strains. If I apply my rudimentary understanding of genetics from genealogy, I imagine that means that they weren't connected to the Nike conference directly but that they share the root infection with whoever was the case 0 for Nike. It also shows that the steps taken to close down the Nike outbreak worked, rather than it being ground zero as some have claimed. Outwith conspiracy theorists, I suspect that'll be the last we'll hear about Nike. Bold prediction that mate given the Scottish Tory / media previous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said: Bold prediction that mate given the Scottish Tory / media previous! As I said, conspiracy theorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Of course, it does nothing of the sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Ian Murray runs Jackson Carlaw close for Scotlands biggest cunt award. Scottish Labour keep bringing up the 1979 vote of no confidence, I expect they will be speaking about Nike in 2061, unless we manage to finally kill their party off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 What the report actually says about Nike. Quote Our data suggest that SARS-CoV-2 was introduced to Scotland on multiple occasions, including at an international conference held in Edinburgh several days before the first Scottish case was confirmed. Whilst multiple local cases are linked to this event, the last case within the cluster in the UK occurred on the 27th March, suggesting that the local public health response to this event may have been effective and did not account for the majority of cases in Scotland. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.08.20124834v1.full.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lairdyfaeinverclyde Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Ouch, another Tory could be out of a job soon. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/health-minister-blames-scientists-for-care-home-deaths-then-quickly-rows-back/ar-BB15eeaT?ocid=spartanntp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lairdyfaeinverclyde said: Ouch, another Tory could be out of a job soon. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/health-minister-blames-scientists-for-care-home-deaths-then-quickly-rows-back/ar-BB15eeaT?ocid=spartanntp To give her the benefit of the doubt - and I think she's generally useless but I watched this live - Kay Burley jumped right in before she'd really had a chance to say anything. A bit like someone replying "Yes, but..." and never getting the chance to go past that with the interviewer shouting "YOU SAID YES, YOU SAID YES, YOU SAID YES" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lairdyfaeinverclyde Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Just now, aaid said: To give her the benefit of the doubt - and I think she's generally useless but I watched this live - Kay Burley jumped right in before she'd really had a chance to say anything. A bit like someone replying "Yes, but..." and never getting the chance to go past that with the interviewer shouting "YOU SAID YES, YOU SAID YES, YOU SAID YES" Admit I just watched the edited version. Kay Burley is a bit of a gob shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 KB says 'You cant stick this on the scientists' HW says 'Well I can because nknc nsjkcnk acnal' then gets interrupted. Whately is incompetent beyond even Tory levels, she is utterly useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, kumnio said: KB says 'You cant stick this on the scientists' HW says 'Well I can because nknc nsjkcnk acnal' then gets interrupted. Whately is incompetent beyond even Tory levels, she is utterly useless. Actually I don't even think she gets to "because". She is useless but Burley has totally stitched her up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, aaid said: Actually I don't even think she gets to "because". She is useless but Burley has totally stitched her up here. She does get to because, then goes a bit Boris Johnson and brain farts. Kay Burley isnt someone that Im a fan of, but she didnt stitch anyone up, Helen Whately is a complete fucking moron, she should be banned from doing press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, kumnio said: She does get to because, then goes a bit Boris Johnson and brain farts. Kay Burley isnt someone that Im a fan of, but she didnt stitch anyone up, Helen Whately is a complete fucking moron, she should be banned from doing press. I beg to differ. As I mentioned, I watched this live and the aftermath. From this point on, the whole narrative on Sky News was that Helen Whately had said "I can pin this on the scientists", isn't she stupid and aren't we clever in tripping her up. rather than the detail of what she was trying to discuss, which was pretty much bollocks, but that's what they should've been focussing on. I used to try and avoid Burley at all costs, but they moved All Out Politics to 10am a few weeks back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, aaid said: What the report actually says about Nike. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.08.20124834v1.full.pdf I think the main conclusion from this study is that international travel should have been shut down or at least major restrictions put in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, kumnio said: She does get to because, then goes a bit Boris Johnson and brain farts. Kay Burley isnt someone that Im a fan of, but she didnt stitch anyone up, Helen Whately is a complete fucking moron, she should be banned from doing press. I agree. Ever since the Piers Morgan interview, possibly before, the media know she is weak and it doesnt take much to rattle her. She really does not help herself and is nowhere near competent enough to stand up to the press . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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