PASTA Mick Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, dandydunn said: Isn’t Mulgrew suspended, or am I imagining things? I don't think so. Souttar would have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I hope we qualify, but surely two loses or a point form these two games and he's gone? Although, no doubt we'll end up out on goal difference/head to head. The clueless SFA will keep him and it'll be all over by next November. AHEM... Just ranting, and I hope to god we get two wins, and somehow we become team. MON SCOTLAND, for fécking once, just do it DIFFERENTLY and win this Group! TWO WINS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 We haven't had the withdrawals yet, we can pick teams on paper but most squads seem to be hit with several players who can't make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, weekevie04 said: I hope we qualify, but surely two loses or a point form these two games and he's gone? Although, no doubt we'll end up out on goal difference/head to head. The clueless SFA will keep him and it'll be all over by next November. AHEM... Just ranting, and I hope to god we get two wins, and somehow we become team. MON SCOTLAND, for fécking once, just do it DIFFERENTLY and win this Group! TWO WINS! We only need a draw and a win Play a 541 away then go for it at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templeton_Peck Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Is Matt Ritchie the new Phil Bardsley. As in secretly chucked it without the fans getting told. Not a chance he doesnt get in that squad on merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I'd have personally called up pretty much every attacking player. The Israel game is most important for years so really in the 18 you need as many goal threats as possible. Very surprised Ritchie wasn't recalled. Even more surprised Snodgrass, back to playing regularly in the premier league, isn't in. Tom Cairney played last night so he could've been another option for this make or break set of games. TBH it's another squad with limited goal threat and not a huge conviction at the back but I do have sympathy with McLeish as with injuries he's not got much choice. Hopefully Fraser won't stub his toenail in Bournemouth's next game as at least if you can get him out on the pitch then you have a pace threat with him on the right flank and Robbo on the left so can actually stretch a team on the counter attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 McLeish has admitted Matt Richie has asked to be left out. Fuck him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 24 minutes ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said: McLeish has admitted Matt Richie has asked to be left out. Fuck him This is all sounding Burley & Levein esque with these players asking not to be picked and making themselves unavailable. McLeish clearly from the performance in Israel & The call offs and unavailabilities, doesn’t have the backing of the players. 2 more games & it’s bye Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, ProudScot said: This is all sounding Burley & Levein esque with these players asking not to be picked and making themselves unavailable. McLeish clearly from the performance in Israel & The call offs and unavailabilities, doesn’t have the backing of the players. 2 more games & it’s bye Alex. Totally agree. It looks like Brown, McArthur, Snodgrass, Cairney and Ritchie have all packed it in under him. That's not a bad midfield. I accept that Brown would maybe have stopped playing regardless of who was the manager but I expect all 4 would still be about if Strachan was still in charge. I don't think any of the other 4 would be in my strongest XI but all of them would be in the squad. There is also the issue with Griffiths. McLeish needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, ProudScot said: This is all sounding Burley & Levein esque with these players asking not to be picked and making themselves unavailable. McLeish clearly from the performance in Israel & The call offs and unavailabilities, doesn’t have the backing of the players. 2 more games & it’s bye Alex. 100% I want him gone now, but appreciate it’s too late before the upcoming games. If we do somehow win the group (and that’s very much not certain) then it will be despite him being manager not because of him being manager. Regardless of how we finish, at the end of this group, once Israel game is over, he has to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Fuck Ritchie As much as don’t rate McLeish this 3rd rate English reject can GTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 13 hours ago, Bino's said: We only need a draw and a win Play a 541 away then go for it at home Albania are shite, we should be going there to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, PASTA Mick said: Totally agree. It looks like Brown, McArthur, Snodgrass, Cairney and Ritchie have all packed it in under him. That's not a bad midfield. I accept that Brown would maybe have stopped playing regardless of who was the manager but I expect all 4 would still be about if Strachan was still in charge. I don't think any of the other 4 would be in my strongest XI but all of them would be in the squad. There is also the issue with Griffiths. McLeish needs to go. Whilst I don't want McLeish as boss, if these tits can give up playing for us that easily, then fuck them. No loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 52 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Whilst I don't want McLeish as boss, if these tits can give up playing for us that easily, then fuck them. No loss. Agree and disagree. It's disappointing that players are making themselves unavailable but players only do this when there are bigger issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, PASTA Mick said: Agree and disagree. It's disappointing that players are making themselves unavailable but players only do this when there are bigger issues. What bigger issues are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4Footsoldier Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I think it's probably a bit hasty to jump to conclusions about certain player's allegiance to the manager. That said we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Regarding the Griffiths situation for example he does seem to be legitimately injured since he hasn't played for Celtic since before the last international break. Scott Brown made it clear he wouldn't play for Scotland under anyone other than Strachan, not necessarily anything to do with McLeish. I'd like to be optimistic and say these pullouts could just be a storm in a teacup. But who knows really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton wanderer Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 McLeish needs to go but don't let the others back either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, PASTA Mick said: Totally agree. It looks like Brown, McArthur, Snodgrass, Cairney and Ritchie have all packed it in under him. That's not a bad midfield. I accept that Brown would maybe have stopped playing regardless of who was the manager but I expect all 4 would still be about if Strachan was still in charge. I don't think any of the other 4 would be in my strongest XI but all of them would be in the squad. There is also the issue with Griffiths. McLeish needs to go. Either that or McLeish genuinely thinks Christie, Shinnie and GMS are better options than Cairney, Ritchie and Snodgrass. For all the flack Strachan took - some of which was deserved - we never had anywhere near the same level of withdrawals as we are seeing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 hours ago, ProudScot said: This is all sounding Burley & Levein esque with these players asking not to be picked and making themselves unavailable. McLeish clearly from the performance in Israel & The call offs and unavailabilities, doesn’t have the backing of the players. 2 more games & it’s bye Alex. Said before but it reminds me of Wales under John Toshack. Think there was 8-9 who retired from international football when he was in charge. Then Gary Speed replaced him with a more modern approach (making the camps more enjoyable) and then the call offs stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: Albania are shite, we should be going there to win. This is Scotland in away games, it will be a grim scrap of a performance similar to Israel. Albania aren't that bad at home, they just don't travel well. Like Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, vanderark14 said: What bigger issues are you referring to? I can only guess but when players and managers fall out it usually signals the beginning of the end for the manager. My guess would be that the players don't have any faith in his leadership, selections or tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templeton_Peck Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Its all going tits up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 No times for players who don’t want to play for us, regardless of the manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, scotlad said: Either that or McLeish genuinely thinks Christie, Shinnie and GMS are better options than Cairney, Ritchie and Snodgrass. For all the flack Strachan took - some of which was deserved - we never had anywhere near the same level of withdrawals as we are seeing now. It would be interesting to see the stats in terms of call offs for each, personally I think Mcliesh made an ass of it when he allowed certain players to miss the Peru/Mexico matches. He made it clear it was ok to miss matches. 46 minutes ago, PASTA Mick said: I can only guess but when players and managers fall out it usually signals the beginning of the end for the manager. My guess would be that the players don't have any faith in his leadership, selections or tactics. So the solution is to down tools because they don't like it, they have another option. Turn up and give your all for Scotland.................................... its a unique option but they could try it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 3 hours ago, PASTA Mick said: Totally agree. It looks like Brown, McArthur, Snodgrass, Cairney and Ritchie have all packed it in under him. That's not a bad midfield. I accept that Brown would maybe have stopped playing regardless of who was the manager but I expect all 4 would still be about if Strachan was still in charge. I don't think any of the other 4 would be in my strongest XI but all of them would be in the squad. There is also the issue with Griffiths. McLeish needs to go. Where to start with this, The five players in bold - there's nothing to suggest every one has packed it in except Brown and McArthur, neither were definitely down to McLeish unless you know something we don't. The issue with griffiths? I thought he wanted to work on his fitness? Is he lying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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