fringo Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, billy corby said: I'll go along with most thats being said about the way scotland approached things , taking injured players and not checking the opposition but I think one of the main issues was the shirts ! We had short sleeved airtex and everyone else had long sleeved cotton ! Did nobody check the temperature! ! I rest my case . I still blame the perms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Toepoke said: It's incredible and sad to know so many of the TA have grown up like that. I'd watched us play in 8 tournaments before I was 30. Aye i saw is play in 4 by time i was 14. Not seen one since!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Toepoke said: It's incredible and sad to know so many of the TA have grown up like that. I'd watched us play in 8 tournaments before I was 30. I’ve been alive for 4 but only remember 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitre Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 thought it was excellent apart from cosgrove the pompous fud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 4 hours ago, billy corby said: I'll go along with most thats being said about the way scotland approached things , taking injured players and not checking the opposition but I think one of the main issues was the shirts ! We had short sleeved airtex and everyone else had long sleeved cotton ! Did nobody check the temperature! ! I rest my case . It wasn't exactly Baltic coneditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Orraloon said: It wasn't exactly Baltic coneditions. And the players were bitching about the swimming pool at the hotel not being finished ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catchart Circle Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 It certainly passed sixty minutes but did the documentary really tell us anything we didn't already know? I don't think so. Nothing new there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 after all the talk on 78 recently i re-watched the highlights of peru game ; then iran - it was only in reading the news report i focussed on archie gemmils 'challenge' for iran goal ; as amazing/iconic as his goal v Dutch was ; there seemed little flak over that , recall just a general go at everyone , i was only 12 when i watched the games though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said: after all the talk on 78 recently i re-watched the highlights of peru game ; then iran - it was only in reading the news report i focussed on archie gemmils 'challenge' for iran goal ; as amazing/iconic as his goal v Dutch was ; there seemed little flak over that , recall just a general go at everyone , i was only 12 when i watched the games though Seem to recall there was a stonewaller near the end of the Iran game but the ref gave us an indirect free kick in the box! That said the way we were playing it would probably have been missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 with the benefit of hyndsight Macleod really was an arrogant fool/utter fecking clown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Finally got round to seeing it. What came across was not just the passion/hope/confidence of the fans but generally the whole country, even in other parts of the UK, a sort of extended honorary tartan army. Not just that they were wishing Scotland well - but where 'doing well' meant actually winning the competition. So the Scotland manager going into the WC with reasonable hope, like, today, the manager of say Belgium might think, we have a talented team, we're ranked third in the world, maybe this time's our time. Even on Blue Peter they were wondering if Scotland could do it (ie actually win the whole thing)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I ended up missing this, is there still a way to see it? I was a wee boy on holiday in Benidorm at the time. I can remember going into the Scotsman bar to ask the score as it was two days back then before you got the newspapers. They said 3-1 and I skipped out happy as Larry. I'm sure he shouted after me ' tae Peru' but I wouldn't have believed him anyway. It was another day and a half before reality hit me lol 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, slasher said: I ended up missing this, is there still a way to see it? I was a wee boy on holiday in Benidorm at the time. I can remember going into the Scotsman bar to ask the score as it was two days back then before you got the newspapers. They said 3-1 and I skipped out happy as Larry. I'm sure he shouted after me ' tae Peru' but I wouldn't have believed him anyway. It was another day and a half before reality hit me lol 😁 Ah - The Scotsman Bar - across the road from the Hotel Titanic (now Marina) which is now the centre of the mad mental bit of Benidorm And round the corner was The Tartan Arms Remember it fondly from 1985 No papers, no internet, no phones - all you had was shitty crackly intermittent World Service radio and you went to the hotel reception to phone home No sky sports never mind English speaking TV - but they did play videos of Only Fools & Horses. Fawlty Towers and recently released films all day You used to check the pubs blackboards to see what they were showing Believe it is now an Irish Bar called Scruffy Murphys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b4fx2q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Yes that was another thing from the documentary - how isolated people were. Ally's wife mostly not in contact with him by phone unless he called her. Presumably via some difficult / extortionate hotel phone. No WAGs. And apart from the fans, the only English speaking people around would have been the press pack hovering like vultures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borojock Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 will we ever get to that position again in terms of squad quality or even in level of a nations optimism and positivity about our national team Personally what keeps me positive about the future is these new SFA schools and them starting to turn out some potential as seen by Gilmour at Chelsea and Cochrane at Hearts - here's hoping it continues and develops even further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 I think we will struggle to get back to '70's levels, but 90's level should see us qualifying again and I don't think were that far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 I think also it we were threatening to break through the knock-out stages, it would be more comfortably in the role of the underdog - in the mould of Denmark, Croatia, Greece, Turkey, etc. - not with the mentality of one of the (talented but untried) contenders, packed with international stars just waiting to happen, as maybe Belgium are now. I think one of the things that spooked us in 78 was the unaccustomed role of being a relatively fancied side, the UK A team, packed with Football League and European Cup winning stars, almost a big-country mentality, something going beyond a natural self-belief. We are unlikely to do that again (especially post-devolution mentality where Scottish football seems much more remote from London than then) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catchart Circle Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Grim Jim said: I think we will struggle to get back to '70's levels, but 90's level should see us qualifying again and I don't think were that far away. The 1990s were the most successful period in the history of the national team. We took part in for FOUR tournaments during that decade. The 70s and 80s only produced an aggregate of four between them. Incidentally the Argentina documentary is repeated on BBC1 on Tuesday at 10.55 Edited June 17, 2018 by Catchart Circle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Catchart Circle said: The 1990s were the most successful period in the history of the national team. We took part in for FOUR tournaments during that decade. The 70s and 80s only produced an aggregate of four between them. Incidentally the Argentina documentary is repeated on BBC1 on Tuesday at 10.55 Well apart from the facts that the number of teams qualifying in the 90's was higher and the Euros weren't taken seriously in the 70's, maybe even the 80's, I wouldn't regard qualifying with no chance of being competitive a success. Bring back the 70's and 80's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/10/2018 at 12:33 PM, Toepoke said: It's incredible and sad to know so many of the TA have grown up like that. I'd watched us play in 8 tournaments before I was 30. Blimey!! You must have a good memory Toepoke. I’m guessing from the above post you are 50 now. I’m 52 and whilst I remember the 74 WC matches vividly, I remember next to nothing before then. Maybe the slightest whiff of a memory of the final qualifying game against Czechoslovakia, but nothing else. Reckon if I’d only been 6 as I guess you were, I’d remember nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Marky said: Blimey!! You must have a good memory Toepoke. I’m guessing from the above post you are 50 now. I’m 52 and whilst I remember the 74 WC matches vividly, I remember next to nothing before then. Maybe the slightest whiff of a memory of the final qualifying game against Czechoslovakia, but nothing else. Reckon if I’d only been 6 as I guess you were, I’d remember nothing. I was just about to start school but hey, I still bought the t-shirt.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 74 pfft. I can remember (on TV) the W. Germany 3-2 Scotland qualifier for 1970. We wiz robbed I tell ye! (And just 1 to qualify, and no play-off for 2nd.) . . OK, don't remember it in a lot of detail. But we were definately robbed. Dodgy free kick or sumthin'. . . Dodgy memory more like? No sign of any free kick. I mind me or (more likely) my dad raging about one though (maybe an early childhood, influential moment? Christ Pathe!!! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Toepoke said: I was just about to start school but hey, I still bought the t-shirt.  And the Gordon McQueen haircut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 10 hours ago, Grim Jim said: 74 pfft. I can remember (on TV) the W. Germany 3-2 Scotland qualifier for 1970. We wiz robbed I tell ye! (And just 1 to qualify, and no play-off for 2nd.) . . OK, don't remember it in a lot of detail. But we were definately robbed. Dodgy free kick or sumthin'. . . Dodgy memory more like? No sign of any free kick. I mind me or (more likely) my dad raging about one though (maybe an early childhood, influential moment? Christ Pathe!!! ) This one? Well before my time though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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