Return of Yermaw Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) 23 hours ago, Parklife said: The SFA condones racism and misogyny. They'll not be getting a penny of my cash for the foreseeable future. exactly. i'll bet if he had sent similar texts at the same time abusing the armed forces or poppy wearers the SFA wouldn't go near him. The feckin state of us. Honestly, it would make you greet. Edited December 14, 2016 by Return of Yermaw edit had written SAF instead of SFA. not pwoud of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitre Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 He will have cost buttons to hire and that will be the main point for the SFA Shocking appointment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Genuinely want to withhold money from SFA and will think twice of going in near future. Would rather be at games but have no problem taking my cash to pub and watching game on TV if many others did same. I would ask why Scottish press aren't in uproar over this but we all know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 This is the kinda thing ATAC should be speaking to the SFA about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 It takes a lot for the SFA to get a worse appointment than Daryl Broadfoot but there you go. Everyone is entitled to a second chance i guess Im already 2 years into a boycott so it makes no difference to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Gets on ma tits to see people involved in football patting him on the back...'he's a real football man'...according to Warburton. Meaning that he's an unapologetic racist and homophobe. Has anybody involved in the Scottish game ever criticised someone else involved in the game ? It's a wee mafia where they all pat each other on the back. Shite appointment. Awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, Rossy said: Has anybody involved in the Scottish game ever criticised someone else involved in the game ? It's a wee mafia where they all pat each other on the back. All football is the the same - the possible exception being Dutch football, where everyone criticises everyone else all the time apparently. It's a small industry and there's every likelihood you'll end up working with someone so it's not surprising that everyone is pretty anodyne about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Apparently backed by anti-racism groups... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 5 hours ago, kumnio said: This is the kinda thing ATAC should be speaking to the SFA about. ATAC are fully consulted before the SFA make any appointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Looks like Vincent Tan is going on a full offensive now he's close to another job. Stories emerging this morning about irregularities with the transfers of Caulker and Odemwingie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 On 12/13/2016 at 3:27 PM, Parklife said: 10 hours ago, Cove_Sheep said: Apparently backed by anti-racism groups... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 My Tin hat is on, trench dug and waiting for the abuse. Is this really as big an issue as some are making out? He's being backed by the anti racism group show racism the red card, he's shown remorse and has taken part in re-education. he made a massive mistake, that can't be disputed but does he deserve a life sentence for it? I don't see this as the SFA condoning racism especially when the main anti racism body condones the appointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 21 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: My Tin hat is on, trench dug and waiting for the abuse. Is this really as big an issue as some are making out? He's being backed by the anti racism group show racism the red card, he's shown remorse and has taken part in re-education. he made a massive mistake, that can't be disputed but does he deserve a life sentence for it? I don't see this as the SFA condoning racism especially when the main anti racism body condones the appointment. Fair points. Im a little less angry having read he's been on educational course, is subsequently backed by anti-racism group and has done some interesting stuff in his time away from football. There's a decent article on BBC: http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38317806 I still think it's a pretty sh*t appointment but he deserves some credit for doing what he has done since, although many will doubt his motives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Let's face it, our lot are exactly the same as the FA. Run by white men in blazers who are not fit for purpose. I'll never lose my interest in my country's scores but I have zero interest in attending games at present and don't see that changing any time soon sadly, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 15 minutes ago, macy37 said: Let's face it, our lot are exactly the same as the FA. Run by white men in blazers who are not fit for purpose. I'll never lose my interest in my country's scores but I have zero interest in attending games at present and don't see that changing any time soon sadly, Bizarre comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 1 hour ago, vanderark14 said: My Tin hat is on, trench dug and waiting for the abuse. Is this really as big an issue as some are making out? He's being backed by the anti racism group show racism the red card, he's shown remorse and has taken part in re-education. he made a massive mistake, that can't be disputed but does he deserve a life sentence for it? I don't see this as the SFA condoning racism especially when the main anti racism body condones the appointment. I've no issue with McKay working, earning respect back and working his way up. What i object to is him going straight in to a role at the top of the SFA. 19 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Bizarre comment Nah, it's an accurate comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 32 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Bizarre comment I agree It's bizarre when referring to Scotland England not so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BremnerLorimerGray Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: I agree It's bizarre when referring to Scotland England not so much It is indeed. Scotland has a significantly lower ethic minority population than England, hence it is extremely unlikely that any football administrator will come from such a background. We've only had a dozen or so players from any minority background make any kind of impact on the Scottish National side(s) since 1872. Of those players, only Andrew Watson in the 1880's and in my opinion, Ikechi Anya of the current generation have had significant influence on the teams of the time. So it's hardly the sign of a backward FA that there are only white people on it. English football isn't comparable at all to Scotland in that respect. Edited December 15, 2016 by BremnerLorimerGray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Parklife said: I've no issue with McKay working, earning respect back and working his way up. What i object to is him going straight in to a role at the top of the SFA. Nah, it's an accurate comment. by the sounds of it he's earned respect by his actions following his mistakes, this is backed up in the article above. I'm sure he's been applying for many roles but he's been turned down. Society, particularly on social media seem to think we should punish everyone for the rest of their lives for their mistakes. surely the mark of a progressive society is one who can allow those who have been rehabilitated back into society and allow them to earn I think your previous comment "the sfa condone racism" is way OTT considering the comments from Give Racism the Red Card. Shite like that belongs on mums.net or facebook. I don't condone what he did but he's shown remorse and re-educated himself. he deserve a chance to show he is 1) a changed person & 2) he is the right man for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 17 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: by the sounds of it he's earned respect by his actions following his mistakes, this is backed up in the article above. I'm sure he's been applying for many roles but he's been turned down. Society, particularly on social media seem to think we should punish everyone for the rest of their lives for their mistakes. surely the mark of a progressive society is one who can allow those who have been rehabilitated back into society and allow them to earn I think your previous comment "the sfa condone racism" is way OTT considering the comments from Give Racism the Red Card. Shite like that belongs on mums.net or facebook. I don't condone what he did but he's shown remorse and re-educated himself. he deserve a chance to show he is 1) a changed person & 2) he is the right man for the job. Don't "Show Racism the Red Card" say "Hun" is a sectarian word? Sums up how thick those guys are. I don't want to punish him forever. I don't want him getting a prominent role in Scottish football right away though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regenmann Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Surely his old man used his SFA connections to pull a few strings? The guy was unemployable until this came along - even Barry Bennell had better career prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLT NY Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 On 12/14/2016 at 1:11 PM, Rossy said: he's an unapologetic racist and homophobe. I think it's brilliant how everyone's getting there knickers in a twist over a few private texts someone sent a few years ago. I listened to sportsound yesterday, and it was unbelievable the vitriol that was poured out against him. Rapists and Paedophiles have been given no worse a reception in our game at times. The only reason any of this is public knowledge is because the crazy former chairman of Cardiff stitched him up. Do you honestly think Malky Mackay is the only person in football to have ever talked like that in private? He's spent the last few years trying to redeem himself and has apologised repeatedly for the texts. We can go on labelling and condemning the guy, but I'd rather give him a chance to get on with his life. I suspect a lot of this response is down to a deep seated desire that a lot of the Tartan Army have to criticise the SFA currently, and not really that much about Malky Mackay at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 41 minutes ago, COLT NY said: I think it's brilliant how everyone's getting there knickers in a twist over a few private texts someone sent a few years ago. I listened to sportsound yesterday, and it was unbelievable the vitriol that was poured out against him. Rapists and Paedophiles have been given no worse a reception in our game at times. The only reason any of this is public knowledge is because the crazy former chairman of Cardiff stitched him up. Do you honestly think Malky Mackay is the only person in football to have ever talked like that in private? He's spent the last few years trying to redeem himself and has apologised repeatedly for the texts. We can go on labelling and condemning the guy, but I'd rather give him a chance to get on with his life. I suspect a lot of this response is down to a deep seated desire that a lot of the Tartan Army have to criticise the SFA currently, and not really that much about Malky Mackay at all. 1. if evidence presents itself that other managers are homophobic or racist, then i would hope the appropriate action would be taken. This though specifically concerns Scotland, a team we all support, and supporters have a view as to whether the appontment of MacKay is appropriate. 2. if you look at the SFA's supposed stance on fair play, equality and stamping out racism, then I would say the appointment of MacKay is not appropriate if viewed against the ethos that supposedly informs the SFA's position. 3. aside from his views, or perhaps previously held views, he is a manager whose abilities would seem to be in decline and therefore this depressingly fits the mould of the type of person the SFA now seem happy to bring into the structure of the Scottsh game 4. In connection to that, I fail to see how his previous record in football qualifies him to be a effective Performance Director. Points 1-4 suggest to me that the appointment is poor. I would suggest that a lot of people criticising the appointment have considered these four points. Collectively it all adds up to yet more ineptitude from the SFA and our game will never ever improve unless this depressingly myopic vision that the SFA has is completely rooted out. You are implying that the critcism however is just part of general criticism directed at the SFA and suggest you are are not part of this criticism and are quite happy with this appointment. If indeed that is the case then you'll be delighted that it is very likely that the next 10 years will probably be on a par with the past 10 years for the national team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalgety Bay TA Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 3 hours ago, COLT NY said: I think it's brilliant how everyone's getting there knickers in a twist over a few private texts someone sent a few years ago. I listened to sportsound yesterday, and it was unbelievable the vitriol that was poured out against him. Rapists and Paedophiles have been given no worse a reception in our game at times. The only reason any of this is public knowledge is because the crazy former chairman of Cardiff stitched him up. Do you honestly think Malky Mackay is the only person in football to have ever talked like that in private? He's spent the last few years trying to redeem himself and has apologised repeatedly for the texts. We can go on labelling and condemning the guy, but I'd rather give him a chance to get on with his life. I suspect a lot of this response is down to a deep seated desire that a lot of the Tartan Army have to criticise the SFA currently, and not really that much about Malky Mackay at all. There were approx 10,000 messages sent, if you think the ones released were the only ones of note or exceptions then I think you are barking up the wrong tree. If someone is happy to be racist, homophobic and misogynistic in a handful of messages seen then I would suggest thats his character full stop. And to add to his crime sheet, the "crazy" CURRENT chairman of Cardiff, yep its still the same one, is now getting Mackay investigated for bungs on transfer deals. Who would have thought it, someone who is sinking £1m a month into a club to keep them afloat is wanting dodgy transfer deals looked into because he thinks his club has been ripped off by his former manager and agents. Funnily enough this mental chairman wants the hearings heard in public, so everyone can make their own judgement on what happened around these transfer deals, Mackay and his assistant and the agents all want them held in private so discussions can't be disclosed to the general public. I wonder why that is? Aside from Mackay not exactly being the best of characters, currently being investigated on fraud allegations against Cardiff, I do wonder what in his glowing CV made him a stick on for the role of Performance Director at the SFA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Dalgety Bay TA said: There were approx 10,000 messages sent, if you think the ones released were the only ones of note or exceptions then I think you are barking up the wrong tree. If someone is happy to be racist, homophobic and misogynistic in a handful of messages seen then I would suggest thats his character full stop. And to add to his crime sheet, the "crazy" CURRENT chairman of Cardiff, yep its still the same one, is now getting Mackay investigated for bungs on transfer deals. Who would have thought it, someone who is sinking £1m a month into a club to keep them afloat is wanting dodgy transfer deals looked into because he thinks his club has been ripped off by his former manager and agents. Funnily enough this mental chairman wants the hearings heard in public, so everyone can make their own judgement on what happened around these transfer deals, Mackay and his assistant and the agents all want them held in private so discussions can't be disclosed to the general public. I wonder why that is? Aside from Mackay not exactly being the best of characters, currently being investigated on fraud allegations against Cardiff, I do wonder what in his glowing CV made him a stick on for the role of Performance Director at the SFA? When you see the work he's done in the last two years to learn about racism and now be in a position to coach other coaches on it, it's understandable how his appointment is being approved by racism campaigners. A refreshing interview too and happy to give him the benefit of the doubt in some respects. In terms of the claim from Cardiff - Timing bizarre years after the alleged fraud. See what comes of it but I suspect nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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