Jermy Corbyn

[giblet]

Guido Fawkes uncovered some interesting details about funds raised by each labour candidate.

A Guido investigation can reveal that Jeremy Corbyn is leading Andy Burnhan in the Labour leadership race despite Burnham raising over £100,000 more in donations.

Burnham has declared £132,000 of donations towards his leadership bid, accepting cash from lefty doctors, the hippy green subsidy sponger Ecotricity and defence lobbyist Howard Borrington, among others.

Yvette Cooper has trousered £82,000, £50,000 of which came from shamed ‘expenses Queen’ Barbara Follett and her husband Ken, who have been longstanding financial backers of the Balls-Coopers.

Liz Kendall has declared only £36,000 of donations, her benefactors include Patricia Hewitt and Blairite obergruppenführer Tim Allan of Portland.

Corbyn meanwhile has declared a grand total of zero, suggesting he has yet to cash Unite’s cheque or receive a single donation above the threshold at which MPs have to disclose funding. He has raised over £30,000 in small donations from individuals through a crowdfunding effort.

So far Burnham’s effort to buy the leadership is trailing Corbyn’s austere campaign…

[irnbruman]

_{Having a think about this today - the Parliamentary Labour Party seems to have moved away from its core supporters and shifted to the right . This can be seen by Corbyn's popularity among the regular supporters. The Lib Dem parliamentary party did the same by coalition with the Tories and alienated the bulk of its support. The "Scottish" branch of the Labour party committed electoral suicide by siding with the Tories in the referendum campaign.}

_{So what now for the Labour party. I think it is too split to continue to function. I see two new parties emerging in England. A coalition of the right wing Labour ones with the remnants of the Lib Dems. The centre/left of the Labour Party then forming a different party in England as there is a void for a party which espouses the views of Jeremy Corbyn. If this party stays English only then it could form an opposition alliance with SNP, Greens, Plaid etc.}

_{Don't see a future at all for "Scottish Labour" - finished.}

[Ally Bongo]

It's probably been said before but the media reaction to Corbyn possibly winning is awfully similar to the reaction of Scotland possibly voting Yes in the referendum

Seems the establishment see him as a threat

His candidacy has also shone a light under the Labour party for people in England much like the referendum campaign did for people in Scotland

I think they are finished totally now

If he doesnt win then what party are they and who do they represent ? - they would be well and truly officially Tory lite.

If he wins then there is the possiblility of defections - but to who ? Liberals ? Tories ? a new party like SDLP as has also been mentioned ? - and who would a breakaway Labour type SDLP represent ?

Very interesting times and they have brought it all on themselves

Wheeling Blair out (along with McTernan last night) is quite surreal because it just reaffirms the red tory mantra

Edited July 22, 2015 by Ally Bongo

[Stapes]

If he wins then there is the possiblility of defections - but to who ? Liberals ? Tories ? a new party like SDLP as has also been mentioned ?

I wonder what would happen if some came to the SNP and asked to defect.

[buckielugger]

Im not a great fan of the red tories label either primarily cos I don't understand where red comes into it.

They're simply tories as bliar has proved once again today.

So id go for actual tories to describe the conservatives and the other tories to describe labour.

And the hopeless tories to describe the liberals.

[Ormond]

It's probably been said before but the media reaction to Corbyn possibly winning is awfully similar to the reaction of Scotland possibly voting Yes in the referendum

Seems the establishment see him as a threat

His candidacy has also shone a light under the Labour party for people in England much like the referendum campaign did for people in Scotland

I think they are finished totally now

If he doesnt win then what party are they and who do they represent ? - they would be well and truly officially Tory lite.

Careful. Parkie will roast you for comparing them to Tories.

[buckielugger]

And come on Corbyn...stuff it right up Bliar !! U can do it !

[Bino's]

It's probably been said before but the media reaction to Corbyn possibly winning is awfully similar to the reaction of Scotland possibly voting Yes in the referendum

Seems the establishment see him as a threat

His candidacy has also shone a light under the Labour party for people in England much like the referendum campaign did for people in Scotland

I think they are finished totally now

If he doesnt win then what party are they and who do they represent ? - they would be well and truly officially Tory lite.

If he wins then there is the possiblility of defections - but to who ? Liberals ? Tories ? a new party like SDLP as has also been mentioned ? - and who would a breakaway Labour type SDLP represent ?

Very interesting times and they have brought it all on themselves

Wheeling Blair out (along with McTernan last night) is quite surreal because it just reaffirms the red tory mantra

they are literally having an existential crisis

they have absolutely no idea who they are

an neither do the electorate

[joe545]

they are literally having an existential crisis

they have absolutely no idea who they are

an neither do the electorate

The problem for Labour is that their MPs are full of upper class, power-hungry people who were looking for a way into politics. They had two choices, Tory or Labour, and a lot of them found the door closed to the Tories and have now shifted Labour so far from its roots that it is unrecognisable.

[Toepoke]

The problem for Labour is that their MPs are full of upper class, power-hungry people who were looking for a way into politics. They had two choices, Tory or Labour, and a lot of them found the door closed to the Tories and have now shifted Labour so far from its roots that it is unrecognisable.

Agreed. Emily Thornberry case in point. Saw her on Newsnight yesterday: "a Labour party that can't win power is worthless".

I would say a Labour party that rejects its core principles and voters is worthless...

[scotlad]

The thing about Corbyn is that what he is proposing isn't actually that radical: investing in the economy, investing in the public sector, building council homes, moderate incomes tax rises for higher earners, a greater emphasis on collecting unpaid business tax. These are all feasible ideas that are or have been enacted elsewhere in the world. It goes to show how far right the centre ground in this country has moved that someone advocating such policies is painted as some kind of left wing maverick.

[ParisInAKilt]

The thing about Corbyn is that what he is proposing isn't actually that radical: investing in the economy, investing in the public sector, building council homes, moderate incomes tax rises for higher earners, a greater emphasis on collecting unpaid business tax. These are all feasible ideas that are or have been enacted elsewhere in the world. It goes to show how far right the centre ground in this country has moved that someone advocating such policies is painted as some kind of left wing maverick.

Exactly.

Some of the UK left said Scotland had to reject independence in order to create social justice UK wide together. If Corbyn is rejected then the idea of doing this together has no chance ever.

[Bristolhibby]

The thing about Corbyn is that what he is proposing isn't actually that radical: investing in the economy, investing in the public sector, building council homes, moderate incomes tax rises for higher earners, a greater emphasis on collecting unpaid business tax. These are all feasible ideas that are or have been enacted elsewhere in the world. It goes to show how far right the centre ground in this country has moved that someone advocating such policies is painted as some kind of left wing maverick.

Indeed, the "centre ground" has shifted so far to the right that in any other point in history it would almost be right wing. Corbyn IMHO is moderately left of what I'd call old school centre. Nowhere near the Communist that the hatchet job media is trying to portray.

J

[Charlie Endell]

The thing about Corbyn is that what he is proposing isn't actually that radical: investing in the economy, investing in the public sector, building council homes, moderate incomes tax rises for higher earners, a greater emphasis on collecting unpaid business tax. These are all feasible ideas that are or have been enacted elsewhere in the world. It goes to show how far right the centre ground in this country has moved that someone advocating such policies is painted as some kind of left wing maverick.

Is he not also proposing a whacking 7% NI increase on those earning over £50k?

[Kittymeister]

Is he not also proposing a whacking 7% NI increase on those earning over £50k?

I have no issue with that.

About time we had a redistribution of wealth.

[ParisInAKilt]

I have no issue with that.

About time we had a redistribution of wealth.

[Charlie Endell]

If some has worked hard to get in a position where they earn over £50k good luck to them - they don't deserve to be hammered for grafting. The politics of envy.

[Stapes]

So, my wife gets a vote through her union. Who should she vote for, from the perspective of helping the Scottish independence movement by weakening Labour?

Corbyn - could destroy Labour in England and keep them out of power for a generation, but may re-invigorate the party in Scotland.

Burnham - most likely of the other three to win, won't be particularly well received in Scotland (an establishment figure)

Cooper - same as Burnham, but less likely to win

Kendall - Tory in all but party. Would be the final nail in 'Scottish' Labour's coffin. But won't win.

My feeling is she should vote for Burnham. Any views?

Edited July 23, 2015 by Stapes

[Armchair Bob]

She should vote for Corbyn, see him get hammered in England, thus helping Scots realise there is no UK future for progressive politics.

And, in the off chance he does win and does well, then she's done the right thing for the UK electorate.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Armchair Bob

[Toepoke]

Corbyn - could destroy Labour in England and keep them out of power for a generation, but may re-invigorate the party in Scotland.

It'll take a lot more than Corbyn to save Scottish Labour. For the sake of our friends in England and Wales vote for him.

[Bino's]

Is he not also proposing a whacking 7% NI increase on those earning over £50k?

policies like that are probably the only genuine way the NHS will survive without back door and ultimately wholesale privatisation

the funding black holes are colossal

Edited July 23, 2015 by Bino's

[exile]

Corbyn may be 'unelectable' but all 4 look unelectable to me, at least Corbyn stands for something.

And Labour are so fearful of what the media would say, as if they'd shred a Corbyn-led Labour, but they already shredded a Miliband-led Labour, and Miliband bending over backwards to please the media didn't do him any good.

But they roll them out, zombie after zombie - 'Lord' Reid, Darling, Blair, now Millburn, Mandelson... all on the attack in fear and loathing... calling Corbyn and left wingers dinosaurs, but the Blairites are themselves dinosaurs rerunning the battles of the 80s

The media reaction to Corbyn is quite telling - the establishment in a sort of shock kneejerk antipathy - it's like Project Fear all over again

It's amazing how pathetic the arguments are - its as if they are so unused to actually arguing against socialism that they use playground analogies. Bennites and 'Militant' were destructive and unelectable, therefore any alternative to Blairism must be destructive and unelectable. Or saying that because Syriza is left wing and populist (and impotent and disastrous), a Corbyn government would be impotent and disastrous when the contexts are completely different.

(Who could have predicted a couple of months ago that we'd be speculating about a 'Corbyn government'?)

In fact it illuminates how twisted and farcical were so many of the arguments in the referendum debate (only, this time seen more clearly and coolly from a distance)

At least the Yes side - and now Corbyn - are clear what they are arguing for, whereas the other side are so often only desperately arguing against something.

As I say, Corbyn may well be unelectable, but at this rate it's too hard to imagine premier Cooper, Burnham or Kendall either

Edited July 23, 2015 by exile

[giblet]

Now thinking Corbyn for the purpose of getting independence isnt such a great idea.

It will invigorate a bit of support for Labour up here ahead of the Scottish election, he will last about 3 years before being usurped once Labour down south gets their act together. Meanwhile it could mean we dont get the opportunity of indyref2 with the SNP not having a majority. Could push back the whole shebang around 7 years until we saw another Tory victory at the next election.

Much better one of the others win. SNP still remain the defacto true alternative political force in WM and run amok at next years election on a ticket of holding indyref 2 against Tory cuts and implementation of laws we didnt vote for.

[exile]

Now thinking Corbyn for the purpose of getting independence isnt such a great idea.

It will invigorate a bit of support for Labour up here ahead of the Scottish election, he will last about 3 years before being usurped once Labour down south gets their act together. Meanwhile it could mean we dont get the opportunity of indyref2 with the SNP not having a majority. Could push back the whole shebang around 7 years until we saw another Tory victory at the next election.

Much better one of the others win. SNP still remain the defacto true alternative political force in WM and run amok at next years election on a ticket of holding indyref 2 against Tory cuts and implementation of laws we didnt vote for.

A popular surge for Corbyn could reinvigorate Labour in Scotland, making an indyref2 less likely, but also, the prospect of an economically risky Corbyn premiership would not seem to be the kind of thing to convince No voters that Scotland was any more ready for going it alone

[Toepoke]

Now thinking Corbyn for the purpose of getting independence isnt such a great idea.

It will invigorate a bit of support for Labour up here ahead of the Scottish election, he will last about 3 years before being usurped once Labour down south gets their act together. Meanwhile it could mean we dont get the opportunity of indyref2 with the SNP not having a majority. Could push back the whole shebang around 7 years until we saw another Tory victory at the next election.

Much better one of the others win. SNP still remain the defacto true alternative political force in WM and run amok at next years election on a ticket of holding indyref 2 against Tory cuts and implementation of laws we didnt vote for.

I'd be amazed if there's another referendum in the next 5 years. 2030 at the earliest would be my bet...