Mhairi Black

[RenfrewBlue]

Im assuming RB was being sarcastic

Suggesting at this stage that of all people Mhairi Black is not being honest and in effect its all an act is ludicrous

I was being a bit sarky, yes but the point holds. Do we have any actual evidence that any politicians are honest? Only their actions and so far Ms Black has been good. But to use a football analogy she's the equivalent of the boy Allen at Hibs, untried really.

[Scunnered]

Why? I know and have known plenty of politicians and they all change over time. It appears power really does corrupt, sadly.

Why? Because she's likeable and could go far if she sticks to her principles. IF she was an MSP I imagine she'd be the Katy Clark of the SNP.

[Marky]

Dearie me

There was no superiority or uppityness from me at all friend, I was merely pointing out that you pulled a number of points from thin air.

I pointed out that SNP will be arguing a case alongside Labour and the Tories - You assumed that I was having a go or calling them sell outs, I wasn't... I was stating fact, pure and simple.

Fair enough. I stand corrected.

[Ally Bongo]

I gathered that

No one is suggesting that, I'm merely saying that the EU referendum will be a massive test of her integrity. I'm sure you can agree with that?

Yes

I guess it all depends on what changes staying in, if any, can be achieved.

However i cant see anything changing me voting to leave

I can see what RB is alluding to and although it wouldnt be a surprise i cant see it happening with Mhairi IMO

[Scunnered]

I was being a bit sarky, yes but the point holds. Do we have any actual evidence that any politicians are honest? Only their actions and so far Ms Black has been good. But to use a football analogy she's the equivalent of the boy Allen at Hibs, untried really.

There's being dishonest.... And then there's using my people for political gain. . There was an American woman in the media quite a lot recently for such a thing.

[killiefaetheferry]

There's more than two likeable ones.

Aye, that nice Patricia Gibson lady seems quite likeable.

[Maq]

The SNP, although not sharing a platform with will be making the same arguments as the Tories and Labour for staying in the EU (it's good for capital), they will be arguing against the left who will be campaigning to leave because... It's only good for capital

Oh come on, not ALL the left will be campaigning to leave!

And yes the EU is flawed, I still haven't a clue which way I'd vote, but I don't think it's fair to say it's only about capital.... the free movement of people, ECHR, peace in Europe... ideals

[Scunnered]

Oh come on, not ALL the left will be campaigning to leave!

And yes the EU is flawed, I still haven't a clue which way I'd vote, but I don't think it's fair to say it's only about capital.... the free movement of people, ECHR, peace in Europe... ideals

I've yet to even catch wind of any Socialist party who will be joining the Yes to EU campaign... Even reformations biggest fanboy Owen Jones is calling for a No vote. The EU is a Neoliberal boys club, but I do hope someone attempts to make a socialist case for staying it would be a fascinating read... Perjurer Tommy Sheridan is where my money would be.

[Maq]

I know he's hardly Karl Marx, but the current darling of the left of Labour, Corbyn thinks we should stay in the EU:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/28/jeremy-corbyn-backs-british-membership-of-eu?CMP=share_btn_tw

I've yet to make up my mind

[Squirrelhumper]

Aye, that nice Patricia Gibson lady seems quite likeable.

She got my vote.

[ParisInAKilt]

I know he's hardly Karl Marx, but the current darling of the left of Labour, Corbyn thinks we should stay in the EU:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/28/jeremy-corbyn-backs-british-membership-of-eu?CMP=share_btn_tw

I've yet to make up my mind

I heard he'll ruin Britain and the world if he's elected labour leader but also he'll never win an election

[northernscum]

I heard he'll ruin Britain and the world if he's elected labour leader but also he'll never win an election

If they don't assassinate him 1st......apparently

[Scunnered]

I know he's hardly Karl Marx, but the current darling of the left of Labour, Corbyn thinks we should stay in the EU:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/28/jeremy-corbyn-backs-british-membership-of-eu?CMP=share_btn_tw

I've yet to make up my mind

He's not? But the Mail said...

A glaring tactical error by Jeremey and one that will be exploited by his leadership contenders. His commitment to renationalise the energy industry is proving quite popular, a move that wouldn't be possible within the EU.

[Scunnered]

She got my vote.

Thanks Obama.

[Guest flumax]

Maybe a non sequitur:So what happened to the internationalist view of "More in common with docker from X than banker from Y" ? why are the British left abandoning workers across the rEU to deal with it without UK intervention.

Currently in not seeing much of a proposal for a socially just post EU Britain. I think a tory government (which is what we'll likely have until 2025 unless labour really get their act together) will have a blank slate to rewrite a constitution in their image. Which would give us a North Atlantic trade agreement, scrapping human rights act, tougher border and immigration, less environmental concern, reducing health and safety, remove working hours directive, free for all fishing . It's all well and good communist party and other left parties campaigning out the eu, but they won't be in a position to contribute to the post EU UK to implement their vision. The redrafting of UK will be down to Westminster, headed by dave and Gideon

[Scunnered]

Maybe a non sequitur:So what happened to the internationalist view of "More in common with docker from X than banker from Y" ? why are the British left abandoning workers across the rEU to deal with it without UK intervention.

Currently in not seeing much of a proposal for a socially just post EU Britain. I think a tory government (which is what we'll likely have until 2025 unless labour really get their act together) will have a blank slate to rewrite a constitution in their image. Which would give us a North Atlantic trade agreement, scrapping human rights act, tougher border and immigration, less environmental concern, reducing health and safety, remove working hours directive, free for all fishing . It's all well and good communist party and other left parties campaigning out the eu, but they won't be in a position to contribute to the post EU UK to implement their vision. The redrafting of UK will be down to Westminster, headed by dave and Gideon

Your opening sentence is very relevant, but I'm sure you knew that . The EU TUC is seeing itself castrated further with every passing year and EU legislation continues to erode workers rights, the TU opposition to the EU across Europe is at peak point... But as far as Brexit is concerned the argument from the left can be made redundant simply by the British TU's backing a Yes vote... There is a genuine argument from the left against EU membership and it would be a shame for Brexit to be dominated by the reactionary right in both camps.

[scotlad]

Aye, that nice Patricia Gibson lady seems quite likeable.

She got my vote.

Having recently encountered Mrs Gibson in a professional capacity, all I can say is: Scunnered has a point!

Maybe a non sequitur:So what happened to the internationalist view of "More in common with docker from X than banker from Y" ? why are the British left abandoning workers across the rEU to deal with it without UK intervention.

Currently in not seeing much of a proposal for a socially just post EU Britain. I think a tory government (which is what we'll likely have until 2025 unless labour really get their act together) will have a blank slate to rewrite a constitution in their image. Which would give us a North Atlantic trade agreement, scrapping human rights act, tougher border and immigration, less environmental concern, reducing health and safety, remove working hours directive, free for all fishing . It's all well and good communist party and other left parties campaigning out the eu, but they won't be in a position to contribute to the post EU UK to implement their vision. The redrafting of UK will be down to Westminster, headed by dave and Gideon

Some good points there. The Tories would go absolutely tonto if they no longer had to comply with certain EU legislation and potentially cause a lot of long term damage in the process.

However, at least we would be in a position to democratically remove them from government and potentially right any wrongs. The EU, on the other hand, is a hugely undemocratic organisation.

Your opening sentence is very relevant, but I'm sure you knew that . The EU TUC is seeing itself castrated further with every passing year and EU legislation continues to erode workers rights, the TU opposition to the EU across Europe is at peak point... But as far as Brexit is concerned the argument from the left can be made redundant simply by the British TU's backing a Yes vote... There is a genuine argument from the left against EU membership and it would be a shame for Brexit to be dominated by the reactionary right in both camps.

Is there any indication that they might?

My concern about the debate is that the No campaign will be dominated by Nigel and Co. slevering about people with HIV swimming the English channel to use the NHS.

[Scunnered]

Having recently encountered Mrs Gibson in a professional capacity, all I can say is: Scunnered has a point!

See! As far as I can see Patricia Gibson has achieved 3 things in her parliamentary career so far:

1. She got farted on.

2. She made what is quite possibly the most boring and whine filled maiden speech in Westminster history.

3. She said "Fag packet" in parliament.

Admittedly 3 is impressive. As far as being a constituent is concerned, she's much the same as her husband. Invisible.

As far as the Trade Unions are concerned I'm unsure. There was talk of a Labour split on the matter just last week, and whispers of two of the major TU's coming out for an exit, but it's all gone dark... Given some of the Labour reaction to Corbyn I can't see much of a split within the party... But I would like to take the opportunity to say I've been delighted by the behaviour of the CLP's in recent weeks, they've shown themselves to be far to the left of the party, particularly in England and Wales. If the two Unions have been revealed I'm not sure but I've been distracted for the past week as I've mostly been sitting naked in a beanbag chair, eating Doritos and weeping over my TAMB ban. My Patricia Gibson dart board has also taken a bit of a doing.

[phart]

How many husband and wife politicians are there across parties?

[The Giant]

How many husband and wife politicians are there across parties?

Not as many as there used to be, at Westminster at least. Ed Balls didn't return, and both Jo Swinson and her husband were chased. Frank Doran from Aberdeen and his wife both stood down in May(both Labour). Harriet Harman's husband is an MP, and I'm sure there will be at least 1 or 2 Tory married couples too.

[scotlad]

See! As far as I can see Patricia Gibson has achieved 3 things in her parliamentary career so far:

1. She got farted on.

2. She made what is quite possibly the most boring and whine filled maiden speech in Westminster history.

3. She said "Fag packet" in parliament.

Admittedly 3 is impressive. As far as being a constituent is concerned, she's much the same as her husband. Invisible.

As far as the Trade Unions are concerned I'm unsure. There was talk of a Labour split on the matter just last week, and whispers of two of the major TU's coming out for an exit, but it's all gone dark... Given some of the Labour reaction to Corbyn I can't see much of a split within the party... But I would like to take the opportunity to say I've been delighted by the behaviour of the CLP's in recent weeks, they've shown themselves to be far to the left of the party, particularly in England and Wales. If the two Unions have been revealed I'm not sure but I've been distracted for the past week as I've mostly been sitting naked in a beanbag chair, eating Doritos and weeping over my TAMB ban. My Patricia Gibson dart board has also taken a bit of a doing.

Based on what I saw, I feel sorry for any constituent of hers who ever needs her help. Without going into too much detail, she, or more likely one of her staff, composed a letter asking the wrong person the wrong thing and sent it to the wrong place. I'm not sure if that was due to ineptitude, inexperience or just going through the motions to placate a disgruntled constituent.

Maybe I am being harsh though. I hadn't realised the poor woman had been farted on. Perhaps she was traumatised.

No, I am not aware of any TU adopting a position on the EU yet either. It wouldn't surprise me if we see a repeat of what happened during the indy ref: some TUs adopt the 'official' Labour position (we can probably guess which ones), others back No and others sit on the fence.

[Bino's]

Mhairi Black for President

[HIGHTOWER 1314]

Brilliant stuff again from mhairi.

[thewelk]

14 hours ago, Bino's said:

Mhairi Black for President

It's ridiculous that this speech is seen as a great thing but we've gotten so used to the convoluted non committal drivel from other more careerist mps (remember, all speeches must be capable of getting backtracked at some point in the future when the mp changes their mind or career goals) that this simple, logical straight to the point argument seems like a genius speech

[ErsatzThistle]

J. K. Rowling follows this guy and recommends her followers read his tweets ...........

Seriously.