UPROAR Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 If we did that, the consequences for the Scottish economy would be calamitous. Do you think the rUK would simply let that go? Such hollow threats were part of the reason Scotland voted No last time. In any future referendum, a position of "give us Sterling or we walk away from the debt" would mean exactly the same outcome. I dont understand your economic illiteracy. Scotland has contributed more in tax per head for 34 consecutive years. Does that not mean anything to you ? Ahhh but the debt, the debt..... yes the debt. The debt which makes up £4billion of our annual 'overspend' - spent on our behalf not spent on Scotland. Separating Scotland puts us in a better economic position that rUK, even before we get our share of assets and the economic boost that follows. London is not an economic miracle - Scotland has invested the bulk of its £200Billion plus overspend in London's infrastructure - that has to be invested here.... In truth it is nearly impossible for our economic position to be much better or much worse on day 1 - how could it be ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I love the fact that the unionist parties are crying foul when talking about the snp . they need to be reminded that this is UK DEMOCRACY in action ,and then questioned if we shouldn't be allowed to participate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The bastirds wanted us to be part of this god forsaken country, so we can vote for who we want. As much as people like myself would love the SNP to ruin Westminster, it isnt going to happen, they need to be seen by the soft Yes', the swing voters and the soft No voters to be doing a good job. If they can do a good job, while fckin off the Tories, humiliating Labour and ignoring Lib Whores then brilliant. As for Salmond, I love the man, he may be divisive, but he is on the good side. I wonder how much of the love/hate thing is down to the media, who cant be trusted on any level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Just saw the Marr show. Man that Anna Southsbury was practically choking on her words sitting next to Alex. "This is the UK, this is not how it's done". LOL. It's FPTP parliamentary system. This is exactly how it's done. The Trident thing was particularly getting up her hoop. Eck makes it clear that it's a vote by vote backing. IMO if we went to a vote the Tories and Labour would back Tridwnt and it will get passed. SNP keeps its integrity (by trying to vote it down with the Libs, Greens etc) and the vote goes your way Anna. More of this please. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 The bastirds wanted us to be part of this god forsaken country, so we can vote for who we want. As much as people like myself would love the SNP to ruin Westminster, it isnt going to happen, they need to be seen by the soft Yes', the swing voters and the soft No voters to be doing a good job. If they can do a good job, while fckin off the Tories, humiliating Labour and ignoring Lib Whores then brilliant. As for Salmond, I love the man, he may be divisive, but he is on the good side. I wonder how much of the love/hate thing is down to the media, who cant be trusted on any level. Yeap, this is vital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jie Bie Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Eck makes it clear that it's a vote by vote backing. IMO if we went to a vote the Tories and Labour would back Tridwnt and it will get passed. SNP keeps its integrity (by trying to vote it down with the Libs, Greens etc) and the vote goes your way Anna. Not so sure about that. If Labour have a minority government which is reliant on SNP support the Tories will be champing at the bit for the SNP to withdraw support for a key bill to allow them to force another election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Not so sure about that. If Labour have a minority government which is reliant on SNP support the Tories will be champing at the bit for the SNP to withdraw support for a key bill to allow them to force another election.IMO the SNP will govern an lend support when it suits them and is popular and will pull back when somthing is unpopular. We pretty much have a vote by vote proposition coming. I recon the SNP will let this one through as Labour and Tories will both vote it through. Pick your battles and only fight the ones you can win. Dulling the effects of the Labour austerity measures = good crowd pleasing battle. Forcing a Labour minority government to collapse because of Trident = not so good. All just IMHO of course. J Edited March 25, 2015 by Bristolhibby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I imagine the new fixed term parliament will make it tougher to force an unscheduled election?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Trident will go through no matter what. The tories and libdems will back a bill to renew Trident. SNP can then say they stuck to their principles and Labour and Tories voted together (Again). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I imagine the new fixed term parliament will make it tougher to force an unscheduled election?... If a Goverenment collapses, then there is another election. Dosent matter what Law was brought in. You have to win your votes to govern. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Just saw the Marr show. Man that Anna Southsbury was practically choking on her words sitting next to Alex. "This is the UK, this is not how it's done". LOL. It's FPTP parliamentary system. This is exactly how it's done. The Trident thing was particularly getting up her hoop. Eck makes it clear that it's a vote by vote backing. IMO if we went to a vote the Tories and Labour would back Tridwnt and it will get passed. SNP keeps its integrity (by trying to vote it down with the Libs, Greens etc) and the vote goes your way Anna. More of this please. J Do you have a link for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Do you have a link for it? should still be on the bbc I player mate normally 7 days after it is originally shown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Do you have a link for it? Unfortunately no, had it on my Sky+ box. Check iPlayer. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtscotland Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Do you have a link for it?It's on Wings - scroll back to 22nd March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPROAR Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I think if the arithmetic is right the Tories will seize their chance. Offer the SNP full devo-max in return for the SNP standing back in WM and letting them get on with it..... you heard it here first.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I think if the arithmetic is right the Tories will seize their chance. Offer the SNP full devo-max in return for the SNP standing back in WM and letting them get on with it..... you heard it here first.... No deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Can't see any westminster government offering full fiscal autonomy, Cameron didn't want it on the ballot paper for a reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I think the message Nicola and Alex are trying to get across is quite simple. Vote SNP and you can still get Labour at Westminster. The only person who will stop that happening is Ed Milliband. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Listen up SNP. Whatever number of MPs you get, do not form any coalitions, instead vote on every issue on a case by case basis, following your principles, and with integrity, let the opposition scheme and form gangs to push through its shit legislation for their cronies, don't get anywhere near these diseased bags of corruption. A core reason the SNP is doing so well is because it is seen as a breath of fresh political air, something different to these loathsome sell outs, so why oh why would you ever think of forming a coalition with any of them? You are a zombie hunter, do not then lay down with a zombie! Boak. Edited March 25, 2015 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 http://www.scotsman.com/news/tom-peterkin-time-for-sturgeon-to-rein-in-salmond-1-3729057 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Listen up SNP. Whatever number of MPs you get, do not form any coalitions, instead vote on every issue on a case by case basis, following your principles, and with integrity, let the opposition scheme and form gangs to push through its shit legislation for their cronies, don't get anywhere near these diseased bags of corruption. A core reason the SNP is doing so well is because it is seen as a breath of fresh political air, something different to these loathsome sell outs, so why oh why would you ever think of forming a coalition with any of them? You are a zombie hunter, do not then lay down with a zombie! Boak. correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 http://www.scotsman.com/news/tom-peterkin-time-for-sturgeon-to-rein-in-salmond-1-3729057 Read the first paragraph. Britsman not happy with Salmond's recent approach. Conclusion: Salmond's recent approach is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Listen up SNP. Whatever number of MPs you get, do not form any coalitions, instead vote on every issue on a case by case basis, following your principles, and with integrity, let the opposition scheme and form gangs to push through its shit legislation for their cronies, don't get anywhere near these diseased bags of corruption. A core reason the SNP is doing so well is because it is seen as a breath of fresh political air, something different to these loathsome sell outs, so why oh why would you ever think of forming a coalition with any of them? You are a zombie hunter, do not then lay down with a zombie! Boak.The leader of the SNP ruled out a coalition in January, did she not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Went to hustings last night and he underlined a couple of times he was not leader and deferred many things to stay his leader will do come May. He was the only real politician on show. Although his answers could be seen as too practiced and mocking of the inexperience of his opponents. Which will no doubt get up some folks backs. The Tory guy seemed like he would try hard for Gordon, but he felt almost embarrassed by the national party. He did however constantly say he'll defend the union. No one else spoke about indyref topics, so that was odd. The young (23) lad could be someone to watch for and if he develops and labour heads back to their working class union roots, they could do well. Spoke about renting problems in North East, working zero hour contact for McDonald's, disabled mum, having to drop out of uni due to living costs. Still don't like the fact he's on a career path to be a politician (researcher, campaign manager etc). Christine jardine for lib dem, just kept moaning and saying we buffered the torys, give us more years and we can fix it. It'll be close between her and AS due to tactical voting. Really didn't like some of the subsidy junkie answers from lab and lib without contextualising what UK gets in return, not just in taxes but e.g . space for wmds, fishing, grounds, oil fields, renewables, cannon fodder What I did learn last night was torys don't wash their hands after taking a pee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Oh and the ukip candidate didn't even bother to turn up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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