Third Lanark Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 How come NI can beat Denmark in a dead rubber yet we usually mess these games up? We nearly lost the other night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: How come NI can beat Denmark in a dead rubber yet we usually mess these games up? We nearly lost the other night. Northern Ireland were desperate for a pick-me-up win whereas Denmark were in party mode. Not that hard to work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanBlessed Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Looks like we're not the only team to have a bit of a drop off in perfomance once we've qualified looking at the England and Denmark results. That worked to our advantage against Denmark in WC qualifying but definitely against us when Ireland beat Germany in Euro 2016 qualification. I'd imagine clubs would be furious if their player were injured in an insignificant match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burj_Alba Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, BryanBlessed said: Looks like we're not the only team to have a bit of a drop off in perfomance once we've qualified looking at the England and Denmark results. That worked to our advantage against Denmark in WC qualifying but definitely against us when Ireland beat Germany in Euro 2016 qualification. I'd imagine clubs would be furious if their player were injured in an insignificant match. As what happened to young Gavi the other night, imagine Barca are not too pleased. I know it was ana accident and could have happened in training but,,,, meaningless match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, BryanBlessed said: Looks like we're not the only team to have a bit of a drop off in perfomance once we've qualified looking at the England and Denmark results. That worked to our advantage against Denmark in WC qualifying but definitely against us when Ireland beat Germany in Euro 2016 qualification. I'd imagine clubs would be furious if their player were injured in an insignificant match. Think just at the stage were there was very little to play for, as you basically had Ukraine v Italy and Slovenia v Kazakhstan that had any real spice about them, whereas everything else seemed very lackluster (I think Wales v Croatia tonight is the biggest game with any real meaning by some distance) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Third Lanark said: How come NI can beat Denmark in a dead rubber yet we usually mess these games up? We nearly lost the other night. Jeez, I thought the old 'Why can't we be more like Northern Ireland?' was well and truly over, apparently not 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Third Lanark said: How come NI can beat Denmark in a dead rubber yet we usually mess these games up? We nearly lost the other night. I’m sorry but this is just utterly laughable. When you take all the things into consideration for the two outcomes that you have noted you conclude with that utter simpleton tripe? And you might want to check our last result against Denmark at home and the context of the game itself. We didn’t “mess that up” did we Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 42 minutes ago, JECK said: I’m sorry but this is just utterly laughable. When you take all the things into consideration for the two outcomes that you have noted you conclude with that utter simpleton tripe? And you might want to check our last result against Denmark at home and the context of the game itself. We didn’t “mess that up” did we Fully agree. The old we 'mess it up' shite is tiresome at best. It is a cliche you could use for every game and in our last three campaigns we have played 22 matches winning 15 drawing 4 and losing 3. Not much chance of that cliche holding up. Try some new patter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I am likely not bringing anything new to this discussion. When we started the campaign with 2 wins and Norway starting with 1 point it was a massive swing in our favor. Tierney's breaking run on the left against Spain is one of my favorite Scotland goals ever. I have a massive grin watching that to this day. At that point it felt good to me that we had some buffer, I was prepared for a draw against Norway, who were far better than us when we played them, but we snatched the win - again the feel-good factor was at 11. We were three for three, and I might regret this later but the 3 points away to Cyprus were almost a certainty. We went into the summer on 12 points, Norway on 4 and Spain on 3 - it clearly was not an accurate reflection on Spain who played far less, but I took comfort that they looked at the league and when their fixtures came around, they would have been determined to take care of their business. I had a quiet thought that topping the group was a possibility. September, another win for us and then it was getting the napkin out thinking what the minimum points was we needed to get qualification assured, also looking at Norway who needed MAXIMUM points in their last 3 we seemed destined to make it to Germany, it would have taken multiple "Iwelumos" for us to mess up this chance. What was strange over the last three matches, rather than looking at other groups for playoff chances, my brain cycles were taken up looking at other groups thinking what the plausible outcomes were and the permutations for our pot. What made the difference? I think the addition of Gunn was massive along with finding a trusted defender in Porteous - a pleasant surprise. McTominay enjoying his football, clearly him and Clarke have a great relationship. We had a few breaks go our way, Norway dropping early points and us going on a 5-game stream of wins. Also being a pot 2 team, which may have taken us 20 years to get back to this position shows how important it is. Scotland bucket list for the next few years - make the 2nd round next Summer in Germany and.......qualify for the World Cup in my backyard in 2026. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 hours ago, wanderer said: Think just at the stage were there was very little to play for, as you basically had Ukraine v Italy and Slovenia v Kazakhstan that had any real spice about them, whereas everything else seemed very lackluster (I think Wales v Croatia tonight is the biggest game with any real meaning by some distance) Turkey. Although they do need Croatia to slip up as well, so I suppose it is kinda like Wales v Croatia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burj_Alba Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Third Lanark said: How come NI can beat Denmark in a dead rubber yet we usually mess these games up? We nearly lost the other night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Burj_Alba said: Nice one. Thanks for that, cheered me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Bra Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 54 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Nice one. Thanks for that, cheered me up. Remember that game well. Watched it in the long gone William Wallace pub in Marylebone, when the screen would freeze if anyone used their mobile (imagine that now?). There were only about 4 or 5 people there as it was a dead rubber. Not sure if I’ve seen us score 3 better goals in the same game. We were singing ‘it’s just like watching Brazil’! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Burj_Alba said: Suffered one of the worst hangovers after that one. Sat in a bar in Celje till about 5am. Not one of my better moves. Amazing to think 18 years on Craig Gordon could somehow still make next years squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burj_Alba Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 This just came up on my You tube Scottish National Team feed. Cracking video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Burj_Alba said: This just came up on my You tube Scottish National Team feed. Cracking video Tremendous, I've pulled my boots on to march to Germany after watching it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Made a pretty tricky group relatively straightforward, more of that please for the World cup qualies in 18 months. Only disappointment is not being 1st as that would've been a real statement but ultimately Spain won the games they needed to home and away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 12 hours ago, Tartan Chris said: Made a pretty tricky group relatively straightforward, more of that please for the World cup qualies in 18 months. Only disappointment is not being 1st as that would've been a real statement but ultimately Spain won the games they needed to home and away. Part of me glad we didn't end on the same points as Spain. Imagine how galling that would be knowing that Hickeys slip had, essentially, cost us top spot. Still seething about Mctominays disallowed goal mind 😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundsKeeper Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 Clarkes a lucky manager. Spain defender slips we go one up and beat Sapin. Haaland get a dodgy pen in Oslo ( UEFA wanted Haaland at euros and not scotland), Norway takes Haaland off and we get two late goals. Job done. Nothing wrong with being lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, GroundsKeeper said: Haaland get a dodgy pen in Oslo ( UEFA wanted Haaland at euros and not scotland), And that is based on what evidence exactly?...... Norway picked up 1 point from their first 3 games (so they were on the back foot before we even played them in Oslo) and the penalty was not "dodgy", light at best yes (if Porteous had not been tugging on the Norwegian players shirt, he probably would have MAYBE got away with it any other time, but he was literally ripping it off him) Edited November 24, 2023 by wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, GroundsKeeper said: Clarkes a lucky manager. Spain defender slips we go one up and beat Sapin. Haaland get a dodgy pen in Oslo ( UEFA wanted Haaland at euros and not scotland), Norway takes Haaland off and we get two late goals. Job done. Nothing wrong with being lucky Clarke is far from lucky. If you look at it that way then everything a country or manager achieves could be attributed to luck. We played well for most of the campaign and defended well and our best players scored vital goals when needed. Most goals in football have a certain element of defensive error. Overall we deserved our results imo, maybe the Norway away game was a bit of lucky one but every country gets these results from time to time. Clarke has the team well drilled and we play some decent football at times. Any bits of luck we get are usually well deserved because we have played well and created chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundsKeeper Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 1 hour ago, wanderer said: And that is based on what evidence exactly?...... Norway picked up 1 point from their first 3 games (so they were on the back foot before we even played them in Oslo) and the penalty was not "dodgy", light at best yes (if Porteous had not been tugging on the Norwegian players shirt, he probably would have MAYBE got away with it any other time, but he was literally ripping it off him) Was a very soft penalty in Oslo. Not for me. That was enough evidence. Just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 1 minute ago, GroundsKeeper said: Was a very soft penalty in Oslo. Not for me. That was enough evidence. Just my opinion So not dodgy?.... Watch the highlights, Michael Stewart (who makes no secret how much he hates VAR and what its done for penalties) says its soft, but at no point does not say that it was not a penalty. Norway got cocky in a game they thought they had won, and we punished them for it, was as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundsKeeper Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 1 hour ago, mccaughey85 said: Clarke is far from lucky. If you look at it that way then everything a country or manager achieves could be attributed to luck. We played well for most of the campaign and defended well and our best players scored vital goals when needed. Most goals in football have a certain element of defensive error. Overall we deserved our results imo, maybe the Norway away game was a bit of lucky one but every country gets these results from time to time. Clarke has the team well drilled and we play some decent football at times. Any bits of luck we get are usually well deserved because we have played well and created chances. Serbia play off. Clarke takes Mcginn off and Serbia run over the top of us and equalise. Penalties and Marshall saves his bacon. I am a big Clarke fan and ofcourse he is tactically aware and deserves lot of credit. But he's a lucky manger. We got a dong in Dublin and were 1 down in Armenia. Their best player gets sent off. Scotland win comfortably. Another fortunate event. Again lucky is good and I hope the luck keeps running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundsKeeper Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, wanderer said: So not dodgy?.... Watch the highlights, Michael Stewart (who makes no secret how much he hates VAR and what its done for penalties) says its soft, but at no point does not say that it was not a penalty. Norway got cocky in a game they thought they had won, and we punished them for it, was as simple as that. Haaland was never scoring in open play. He was helped by the ref. Dodgy / Soft/ Cheating Not as dodgy as Seville though but still a helping hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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