theabsentee Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 4 hours ago, dan cake said: We’ll find out if/when he’s picked for the next squad, simples 🤷♂️ I don't like speculation at all but it's not so simple it seems, it's a weird one as Anderson is saying his international future isn't decided yet. That sounds to me like his injury was very convenient. Maybe the Southgate quote did turn his head a bit. We might never know but one things for Sure he won't make any future Scotland squad unless he is 100% committed . Sadly that might not happen for a couple of years when he still hasn't had a sniff for them. Many on here will say fck him but as he is a grandparent qualifying player I'd still happily except him then if he is a mark up on what we have. Chances of him being in/ committed for our Spain squad are next to nil I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, theabsentee said: I don't like speculation at all but it's not so simple it seems, it's a weird one as Anderson is saying his international future isn't decided yet. That sounds to me like his injury was very convenient. Maybe the Southgate quote did turn his head a bit. We might never know but one things for Sure he won't make any future Scotland squad unless he is 100% committed . Sadly that might not happen for a couple of years when he still hasn't had a sniff for them. Many on here will say fck him but as he is a grandparent qualifying player I'd still happily except him then if he is a mark up on what we have. Chances of him being in/ committed for our Spain squad are next to nil I reckon. All speculation and internet bollocks, Clarke makes the decisions and he’ll know what’s going on. Message boards won’t be deciding Scotland squad selection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 Strange interview considering he supposedly told Clarke he wanted to play for us but it reads like he’s not decided and is therefore open to playing for England. Wouldn’t be calling him up again unless he’s absolutely sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 9 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: Michael Owen made his debut at 18 for England, he turned 19 later that year. Owen was a first choice player at Liverpool when he made his debut for England. What players have Spain picked that haven't started a first team game yet? I'd love Doak to be in the squad. can see why he might not be for a wee while yet though. Let's stick to facts. Agreed. No need to rush him into the full team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 9 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Strange interview considering he supposedly told Clarke he wanted to play for us but it reads like he’s not decided and is therefore open to playing for England. Wouldn’t be calling him up again unless he’s absolutely sure. It sounds like he's reverted back to his position of a few months ago, which was he hadn't made his mind up about his international future and was just concentrating on his club career. Which, at the time, I thought was fair enough. What's not clear to me though is who made the first move that resulted in his call-up this month. Did Clarke get in touch with him and say "so, have you made your mind up yet, Elliot?"; or did Anderson get in touch with him to say he had, before very quickly changing it back again? If it is the former then I can understand why he might have felt "bounced" into making a decision he wasn't ready to make but if that's the case then why not just say so? If it's the latter though then that's less forgivable because it's messing people around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bzzzz Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 14 hours ago, dan cake said: All speculation and internet bollocks, Clarke makes the decisions and he’ll know what’s going on. Message boards won’t be deciding Scotland squad selection Doesn't mean we're not allowed to have an opinion on it. Stuff like this, for me, risks devaluing the jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 53 minutes ago, scotlad said: It sounds like he's reverted back to his position of a few months ago, which was he hadn't made his mind up about his international future and was just concentrating on his club career. Which, at the time, I thought was fair enough. What's not clear to me though is who made the first move that resulted in his call-up this month. Did Clarke get in touch with him and say "so, have you made your mind up yet, Elliot?"; or did Anderson get in touch with him to say he had, before very quickly changing it back again? If it is the former then I can understand why he might have felt "bounced" into making a decision he wasn't ready to make but if that's the case then why not just say so? If it's the latter though then that's less forgivable because it's messing people around. I don’t think it sounds good either way, he is 20 not 12. If he hadn’t got as far as turning up at the training camp it wouldn’t look so bad. I wouldn’t be losing any sleep over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger intae them Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 16 minutes ago, Bzzzz said: Doesn't mean we're not allowed to have an opinion on it. Stuff like this, for me, risks devaluing the jersey. I started writing this to say his action/inaction doesn’t devalue the jersey but it absolutely does! the squirming indecision of a lad who clearly wants England but doubts he’ll make it. Don’t worry son, keep pissing about hoping for Gareth to choose you always mindful that we’ll give you a shot in a few years. He’s doing the right thing for him (as he clearly has no concept of what international football should be about), but the wrong thing for us & international football as a whole. As Tyder says, turning up and then bailing …… and playing for his club on the Saturday is not a good look. ……but all that has all been said many times before…… even about players I now hypocritically cheer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 There was chat earlier about young guys getting first international caps. Saw this on BBC website today. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66743654 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 2 hours ago, TDYER63 said: I don’t think it sounds good either way, he is 20 not 12. If he hadn’t got as far as turning up at the training camp it wouldn’t look so bad. I wouldn’t be losing any sleep over him. Not one second of sleep. Get him tae F.. k. right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bzzzz Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 3 hours ago, ger intae them said: I started writing this to say his action/inaction doesn’t devalue the jersey but it absolutely does! the squirming indecision of a lad who clearly wants England but doubts he’ll make it. Don’t worry son, keep pissing about hoping for Gareth to choose you always mindful that we’ll give you a shot in a few years. He’s doing the right thing for him (as he clearly has no concept of what international football should be about), but the wrong thing for us & international football as a whole. As Tyder says, turning up and then bailing …… and playing for his club on the Saturday is not a good look. ……but all that has all been said many times before…… even about players I now hypocritically cheer Yep, couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Bzzzz said: Doesn't mean we're not allowed to have an opinion on it. Stuff like this, for me, risks devaluing the jersey. Is that the £90 polyester one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 On 9/15/2023 at 9:42 AM, ParisInAKilt said: I hope he has it, the highlights look brilliant but not sure he’s ready for the full team. Sure call him up just to get him involved but he seems pretty raw, as you’d expect at 17 with so little first team experience. No need to rush it, he’ll get a game when he’s ready. His final ball has been pish anytime I've seen him. Needs to learn to get his head up and make a pass instead of hogging it at times too. Undoubtedly has talent but definitely needs a bit of refinement On 9/18/2023 at 3:32 PM, Caledonian Craig said: As has Spain who selected a 16-year-old. As had England when selecting Michael Owen. As have several other countries around the world. A 16 year old who is playing for Barcelona every week 😂 and is miles ahead of doak in quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ramy 1314 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 He can get to absolute Fuck Mountain !!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 10 hours ago, Big Ramy 1314 said: He can get to absolute Fuck Mountain !!!!!! Is that in Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 If I were Clarke I would not make it easy for him. Name him in the next squad and if England do the same he then has made his choice if/when he pulls out of Scotland squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: If I were Clarke I would not make it easy for him. Name him in the next squad and if England do the same he then has made his choice if/when he pulls out of Scotland squad. I wouldn’t. I’d leave him to wither in the international wilderness. He’ll never play for England and watch him come crawling back when he realises that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: If I were Clarke I would not make it easy for him. Name him in the next squad and if England do the same he then has made his choice if/when he pulls out of Scotland squad. There’s no point naming somebody in a squad if they don’t want to be in it. You’d just make yourself look silly, or desperate. I’d ask him if he was interested, but I doubt he’d say yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFH64 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 5 hours ago, adamntg said: Is that in Canada? Wherever it is sounds amazing 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ramy 1314 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 hour ago, RDFH64 said: Wherever it is sounds amazing 🤪 😄😄🪓🤟 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 I said at the start I didn't want him we were obviously the easy option. Loads of folk thought it was great he was choosing us 🤷♂️ he's English get him to fuck and don't give him another chance when he doesn't get picked for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theabsentee Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/18/2023 at 11:01 PM, dan cake said: All speculation and internet bollocks, Clarke makes the decisions and he’ll know what’s going on. Message boards won’t be deciding Scotland squad selection Absolutely I couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theabsentee Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 19 hours ago, adamntg said: Is that in Canada? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4Footsoldier Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/18/2023 at 10:01 PM, dan cake said: All speculation and internet bollocks, Clarke makes the decisions and he’ll know what’s going on. Message boards won’t be deciding Scotland squad selection Yes exactly this. Close thread until the next squad is out. In the meantime keep your head out of the Sun and Daily Record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) Think everyone should just chill out till squads are named and we see what Clarke & Anderson say themselves. Edited September 26, 2023 by ProudScot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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