biffer Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Assuming Spain are now properly rattled, and Norway and us lose our remaining game against them, we need five points from Home v Georgia Away v Georgia Away v Cyprus Home v Norway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 We should be looking for 12 points (10 mibee) from those games and going on to win the group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Norway can only get a max of 16pts now (including beating Spain & us) We really must make sure we win on Tues & then Cyprus away to put us on 15pts before worrying about Georgia away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 IF we can win tonight and beat Cyprus away, qualification is almost certain as Norway would have to beat Spain AND Georgia at home to catch us which further damages both of them. I wouldnt be giving up on points in any of the other games though. There is always the chance we could throw in a stinker at some point and spoil our chances. But equally, where we are just now, we should be targetting topping the group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Effectively if we win tonight, we only need 5 points from our remaining games 5 games, and that is relying on Norway and Georgia beating Spain. I would say win tonight and its as good as 1 foot in the finals (even better if Cyprus can take something off Norway), and probably a win in Cyprus will clinch it (with Spain seeing off Georgia that night) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 40 minutes ago, wanderer said: Effectively if we win tonight, we only need 5 points from our remaining games 5 games, and that is relying on Norway and Georgia beating Spain. Judging by previous performances we could still mess things up but the group seems to have more resilience and hopefully we've learnt from past mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 I haven't looked at what it would take to qualify, I am hoping and I do believe this team could finish with a record points tally in qualifying. this will create the winning mentality needed to get out of the group stages in Germany. The mentality required is that every single match you pull on that Scotland jersey means something even if you have qualified. If we win the next two matches, why not look to win the group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paper_lion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the earliest we can mathematically qualify is the 11th September games (we don't play that night). (WIN) Scotland vs Georgia Norway vs Cyprus (WIN/DRAW) Cyprus vs Scotland (WIN) (WIN) Spain vs Georgia (WIN/DRAW) Norway vs Georgia (WIN/DRAW) Spain vs Cyprus Some of the results can be flipped around a bit but essentially if we win the next two and Spain beat Georgia, we just need the Norway vs Georgia and possibly the Spain vs Cyprus game to go the way we want. If Norway were to win tonight a draw for them vs Georgia would see us qualify too. Unlikely but not impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Going into the last round of fixtures purely for argument sake Spain 18 points (shit themselves so basically beat everyone since losing to us with Georgia left tp play) Scotland 13 points (wheels come off only beating Cyprus and drawing h to Georgia with Norway at home to go) Georgia 11 points (4 points from Scotland but still need to beat Spain and hope Scotland can't beat Norway) Norway 10 points (need to beat us for 2nd) We've put ourselves in a great position and that's all it is at the moment- no point pulling a cracker only to spunk your pants at her front door. However it makes a nice change having to calculate methodologies of potentially fucking it up rather than qualifying 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 22 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said: Going into the last round of fixtures purely for argument sake Spain 18 points (shit themselves so basically beat everyone since losing to us with Georgia left tp play) Scotland 13 points (wheels come off only beating Cyprus and drawing h to Georgia with Norway at home to go) Georgia 11 points (4 points from Scotland but still need to beat Spain and hope Scotland can't beat Norway) Norway 10 points (need to beat us for 2nd) We've put ourselves in a great position and that's all it is at the moment- no point pulling a cracker only to spunk your pants at her front door. However it makes a nice change having to calculate methodologies of potentially fucking it up rather than qualifying 😆 🤣 Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JandC Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Read a report that seedlings for the Group Stage next summer are based on points gained in the qualifiers so we have a really good opportunity to get as high as possible. Also, I was listening to a podcast last night and they had a Norwegian journalist on who said there's a bit of tension in the Norwegian dressing room about how many games Haaland has missed. I think we might see him miss a few more now that qualification is looking less likely. Hopefully something else that will play into our hands as couldn't cope needing a result in the final game against them at Hampden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, JandC said: Read a report that seedlings for the Group Stage next summer are based on points gained in the qualifiers so we have a really good opportunity to get as high as possible. Also, I was listening to a podcast last night and they had a Norwegian journalist on who said there's a bit of tension in the Norwegian dressing room about how many games Haaland has missed. I think we might see him miss a few more now that qualification is looking less likely. Hopefully something else that will play into our hands as couldn't cope needing a result in the final game against them at Hampden. 24 caps 22-23 but given played 5 years does seem Giggs level patchy. Could be done with them keeping Spain honest and getting points off Georgia maybe. Wouldn't fancy needing a win v them last game with Haaland on the shoulder of last man either though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, JandC said: Read a report that seedlings for the Group Stage next summer are based on points gained in the qualifiers so we have a really good opportunity to get as high as possible. Also, I was listening to a podcast last night and they had a Norwegian journalist on who said there's a bit of tension in the Norwegian dressing room about how many games Haaland has missed. I think we might see him miss a few more now that qualification is looking less likely. Hopefully something else that will play into our hands as couldn't cope needing a result in the final game against them at Hampden. Well it is not out of the question that Norway will be out by the time they come to Hampden. I cannot see Haaland playing if that is the case with Man City matches coming thick and fast domestically and in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, JandC said: Read a report that seedlings for the Group Stage next summer are based on points gained in the qualifiers so we have a really good opportunity to get as high as possible. Also, I was listening to a podcast last night and they had a Norwegian journalist on who said there's a bit of tension in the Norwegian dressing room about how many games Haaland has missed. I think we might see him miss a few more now that qualification is looking less likely. Hopefully something else that will play into our hands as couldn't cope needing a result in the final game against them at Hampden. We are currently 3rd in the overall qualifying rankings behind England and France who have played a game more than us. We could go second tonight but we’d need to win by 3 goals which seems a stretch. Not that it really matters where we are at the moment in that table but the more points we earn and the more goals we score the better. Edited June 20, 2023 by Texas Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, ThistleWhistle said: 24 caps 22-23 but given played 5 years does seem Giggs level patchy. Could be done with them keeping Spain honest and getting points off Georgia maybe. Wouldn't fancy needing a win v them last game with Haaland on the shoulder of last man either though! To be fair, its not really that bad, across 2001 and 2002, as he played in all but 2 of Norway's 10 games on each of those years (and he did play in occasional friendlies, including one against Luxembourg), so does not really add up, unless he has a ego behind the scenes that upsets the others players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, wanderer said: To be fair, its not really that bad, across 2001 and 2002, as he played in all but 2 of Norway's 10 games on each of those years (and he did play in occasional friendlies, including one against Luxembourg), so does not really add up, unless he has a ego behind the scenes that upsets the others players. To be honest I'd have some sympathy for him too - it's like the footballing equivalent of Red Rum being asked to plough fields if they're unlikely to qualify. McGinn turning up all the time is a massive catalyst in our improvement but Haaland seems a different beast with different priorities. I've only seen staged interviews but he does same quite a strange character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 If Spain win their games in hand and also beat us, then we'd both be on 12 points. So... all to play for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) According to the Tartan Scarf on Twitter, if we beat Cyprus away and then Norway and Georgia draw 4 days later then we've qualified. I've not looked in to the maths to confirm it's correct but I like the sound of it. Especially as we'll be at home to England that night so would be a packed Hampden! *Edit - Above is correct assuming Spain beat Georgia when we're playing Cyprus. Edited June 21, 2023 by Fairbairn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Fairbairn said: According to the Tartan Scarf on Twitter, if we beat Cyprus away and then Norway and Georgia draw 4 days later then we've qualified. I've not looked in to the maths to confirm it's correct but I like the sound of it. Especially as we'll be at home to England that night so would be a packed Hampden! What if Georgia beat Spain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, Orraloon said: What if Georgia beat Spain? If Georgia beat Spain then I think they can both still catch us (assuming we don't pick up any more points...). We'd be on 15 points, Georgia on 7 with 4 games left and Spain on 6 with 4 games left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immcinto Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Not to get too cocky but - we've qualified. How do we get into Pot 1? From previous Euros it looks like you need 20 points to make top 5. - you also need to win your group though. Croatia had fewer points than a lot of teams but still got in the top 10. UEFA_Euro_2020_qualifying#Overall_ranking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, Fairbairn said: If Georgia beat Spain then I think they can both still catch us (assuming we don't pick up any more points...). We'd be on 15 points, Georgia on 7 with 4 games left and Spain on 6 with 4 games left. What about a draw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Orraloon said: What about a draw? Same, they could both still catch us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Fairbairn said: Same, they could both still catch us. Long way to go then. Georgia are still our biggest threat even though we beat them last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 38 minutes ago, immcinto said: How do we get into Pot 1? From previous Euros it looks like you need 20 points to make top 5. - you also need to win your group though. Croatia had fewer points than a lot of teams but still got in the top 10. UEFA_Euro_2020_qualifying#Overall_ranking Beating everyone but Spain would do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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