wheres the pies Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 On Twitter this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/28/2020 at 2:54 PM, ThistleWhistle said: So it's OF fans fault then? All I need to know - 100% confidence restored! Declaring Sweden as winning compared to us (UK) is a bit like Florida pronouncing itself awesome compared to other US States before they went pear-shaped? Knew they weren't exactly NZ levels of control but hadn't appreciated they're sitting at 6,000 deaths from it with 10m population. Not sure how that compares with us as we're on 4500 where Covid is mentioned with 5.5m population. A bit crass but will be really interesting at the end of all this to see how the other Scandinavian countries managed it better than Sweden and how they in turn compare to us. Did you see the excess deaths for Yemen have been estimated: https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-yemen-graves/grave-counting-satellite-images-seek-to-track-yemens-covid-death-toll-idUSKBN27C3BT Was surprised its 'only' 2000 but must be down to other factors like folk not getting to an age anyway where it really takes hold. a nice distinction from the forced compliance. Swedes defo getting treated like adults more, but their whole culture differs from ours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 just over 4 weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, phart said: just over 4 weeks ago. Andrew Neil is another one who was vilifying whitty and valance back in September I see he’s been rather quiet on Twitter this week apart from plugging his 2 week stint on times radio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, wheres the pies said: Andrew Neil is another one who was vilifying whitty and valance back in September I see he’s been rather quiet on Twitter this week apart from plugging his 2 week stint on times radio You go onto twitter and the vast majority of folk claiming doubt on figures etc who are not "blue marks" all have usernames like name then random numbers, this is from toays tweet from Scottish gov. look at their names. It's a weird phenomenon. 3 of them just joined twitter this month. I first looked out for it cause someone showed all these Black American accounts voting for Trump were using stock images, same naming conventions and same language. Edited October 30, 2020 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 ONS data released today has a slightly less grim forecast compared to the REACT survey earlier this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave78 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 hours ago, phart said: You go onto twitter and the vast majority of folk claiming doubt on figures etc who are not "blue marks" all have usernames like name then random numbers, this is from toays tweet from Scottish gov. look at their names. It's a weird phenomenon. 3 of them just joined twitter this month. I first looked out for it cause someone showed all these Black American accounts voting for Trump were using stock images, same naming conventions and same language. In the absence of evidence that they're bots / paid trolls, you have to assume that they're genuine but couldn't be arsed finding a unique username, so just used Twitter's suggested one: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 52 minutes ago, Dave78 said: In the absence of evidence that they're bots / paid trolls, you have to assume that they're genuine but couldn't be arsed finding a unique username, so just used Twitter's suggested one: Ah that's good to know it suggest the name automatically in that format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lairdyfaeinverclyde Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Good Halloween picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Just had a thought. Imagine if COVID had come a year earlier. Theresa May would have been in charge. She would have been in her element. Grandstanding at the podium, with her serious statesman face, telling the country to stop being naughty, but time to behave, issuing lockdown after lockdown. She'd out-Sturgeon Sturgeon, playing the "we must be good, the country shall pull together" card. She'd probably hold her enemies close, entangle the 3 FMs in a tangly web of 4 nations red lines, maybe invite them to the podium and bind them into a UK-wide approach with a steely embrace. By acting more often and more decisively, she would make it harder for them to diverge. Insofar as a 4 nations approach would prevail, while allowing local differences, she would be able to say that devolution was working. She would have no hesitation in sacking erring ministers and getting shot of political enemies. Johnson would be toast. Or at most a minor character getting done for breaking household-hopping rules or something, having a house party with his dad. Cummings would be nowhere. Gove would be slithering around, maybe Emergency Minister for the 4 Nations. Brexit would maybe be put on hold for the national interest. Hard not to think that England, at least, would have had a better pandemic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 14 hours ago, Dave78 said: In the absence of evidence that they're bots / paid trolls, you have to assume that they're genuine but couldn't be arsed finding a unique username, so just used Twitter's suggested one: I had a quick look at the David Graham account. Appears to be genuine but retweets a load of stuff from the Scottish Tories and Scottish Labour to a lesser extent so fairly safe to assume that he's not going to vote for the SNP in May. Good indicators of bots are a low number of followers and following accounts and a large volume of tweets in a short period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, exile said: Just had a thought. Imagine if COVID had come a year earlier. Theresa May would have been in charge. She would have been in her element. Grandstanding at the podium, with her serious statesman face, telling the country to stop being naughty, but time to behave, issuing lockdown after lockdown. She'd out-Sturgeon Sturgeon, playing the "we must be good, the country shall pull together" card. She'd probably hold her enemies close, entangle the 3 FMs in a tangly web of 4 nations red lines, maybe invite them to the podium and bind them into a UK-wide approach with a steely embrace. By acting more often and more decisively, she would make it harder for them to diverge. Insofar as a 4 nations approach would prevail, while allowing local differences, she would be able to say that devolution was working. She would have no hesitation in sacking erring ministers and getting shot of political enemies. Johnson would be toast. Or at most a minor character getting done for breaking household-hopping rules or something, having a house party with his dad. Cummings would be nowhere. Gove would be slithering around, maybe Emergency Minister for the 4 Nations. Brexit would maybe be put on hold for the national interest. Hard not to think that England, at least, would have had a better pandemic... If her short leadership term was anything to go by, she set a world record for kicking the can down the road, so I don't think she'd have done any better than her successor did as neither seemed capable of taking quick action that would be unpopular but necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Talk in the papers of England going into full lockdown mode next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, King Of Paisley said: Talk in the papers of England going into full lockdown mode next week. I heard that too. Boris making a statement on Monday apparently . Might just be rumours though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: I heard that too. Boris making a statement on Monday apparently . Might just be rumours though. Think it's more than rumours. Some scientists saying it's too little too late to save Christmas and should have put a circuit breaker in place weeks ago like we did. Edited October 31, 2020 by King Of Paisley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee-toon-red Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 They’re doing the usual routine of leaking the plan to gauge public opinion before actually committing to a plan. Cowards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, wee-toon-red said: They’re doing the usual routine of leaking the plan to gauge public opinion before actually committing to a plan. Cowards. Seems this time its an actual leak rather than an off-the-record briefing. The fact that it was Sky and the Times that got it rather then the Telegraph or the Mail probably tends to support that. Still, this is what happens when you have a culture of anonymous briefings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 the useless one was telt 44 days ago to have lockdown in that time there’s been over 4500 deaths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 bojo holding a news conference at 16hr this afternoon so I guess lockdown as early as Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 According to the experts i've been reading their worst case scenario projections have turned out to be way below what reality is showing atm. It's tricky as fuck to plot a course through this pandemic if you aren't willing to close borders, spend big on social programmes, have an effective track and trace system and follow the established scientific advice. Lockdowns are an indication that policy has failed. Compromising between economics and virus suppression means you get neither done it seems. You need to suppress the virus to save the economy, that's the causal order. Also how many weeks is it going to be in a lockdown, deaths are locked in for 4 or 5 weeks now, Folk (generally) who pass away start of December will be getting infected this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Bojo statement at 4pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 In fact we're ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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