The_Dark_Knight Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/republic-irelands-interest-josh-mcpake-18955336 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Reads like a nothing story really. No quotes. Light on detail, heavy on speculation. But as you said earlier (and i agree), Ireland monitor these guys, and use a - to use former Ireland manager Brian Kerr's word - "predatory" recruitment policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, Dave78 said: Reads like a nothing story really. No quotes. Light on detail, heavy on speculation. But as you said earlier (and i agree), Ireland monitor these guys, and use a - to use former Ireland manager Brian Kerr's word - "predatory" recruitment policy. I could totally believe it to true, though. Which makes me wonder, do Irish clubs even have youth systems? Totally. "Predatory" is pretty much the word i'd use. I wonder if Liam Morrison has Irish lineage. If he does I suppose we'll find out sooner or later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, The_Dark_Knight said: I could totally believe it to true, though. Which makes me wonder, do Irish clubs even have youth systems? Totally. "Predatory" is pretty much the word i'd use. I wonder if Liam Morrison has Irish lineage. If he does I suppose we'll find out sooner or later. They have youth systems, aye, but the lads with real potential move to England as teenagers. However, i'd take the 11 Irishmen of Dundalk to beat Aberdeen any day. It's a shame they never met in the Europa qualifiers. Source for the Kerr quote: "I feel it is unfair, seedy and predatory to have such a policy towards a neighbour. Just imagine if the boot was on the other foot." https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/fai-s-policy-of-recruiting-ni-players-is-wrong-1.630456 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Dave78 said: They have youth systems, aye, but the lads with real potential move to England as teenagers. However, i'd take the 11 Irishmen of Dundalk to beat Aberdeen any day. It's a shame they never met in the Europa qualifiers. Source for the Kerr quote: "I feel it is unfair, seedy and predatory to have such a policy towards a neighbour. Just imagine if the boot was on the other foot." https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/fai-s-policy-of-recruiting-ni-players-is-wrong-1.630456 I can understand why they do it. I mean, with such a poor (in terms of finance) football nation I get why they'd want to cast their net as wide as they can, but they must question the allegiance of a player who would ditch the country of their birth. Kevin Kilbane nailed it a while ago when he pretty much slaughtered the lights of Declan Rice for using Ireland to get themselves in the shop window. Kilbane was born in England but he was always going to play for Iteland. With us it's gotten so bad that maybe we should do the same. Trouble is, when do it it's usually an English born player, and let's be honest, most players, if they have the choice of us or England, are going to choose England. McTominay is an exception to the rule. McTominay is good enough to start for England, never mind being called up for them. There's no doubt that he's let his heart rule his head, and for that we should all be grateful. If continues his rate of progress (this time last season most United fans predicted that he'd leave in the next year or so) then we'll have some player on our hands. Good article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 More clickbait nonsense from the Record. Probably planted by his agent to try and get a call up for Scotland. Does anyone really think that someone is going to seriously advise a 17 year old kid at Rangers that the best thing for his career would be to choose the ROI and be hated by a section of both your club's and national team's support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, aaid said: More clickbait nonsense from the Record. Probably planted by his agent to try and get a call up for Scotland. Does anyone really think that someone is going to seriously advise a 17 year old kid at Rangers that the best thing for his career would be to choose the ROI and be hated by a section of both your club's and national team's support. I dont thinks it's hard to believe the FAI have made contact but I agreed with your last sentence. Choosing ROI whilst at ranger wouldn't be the wisest of moves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 32 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: I dont thinks it's hard to believe the FAI have made contact but I agreed with your last sentence. Choosing ROI whilst at ranger wouldn't be the wisest of moves There may well have been a phone call but put it this way, I doubt the source of the story - assuming there is one - would be the FAI or Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, aaid said: There may well have been a phone call but put it this way, I doubt the source of the story - assuming there is one - would be the FAI or Rangers. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 minute ago, vanderark14 said: Agreed In fact, probably more likely that any call was from the agent to FAI and not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 It would be good to see McPake make some progress, u19s is probably about right. He is somewhat reminiscent of Brian Laudrup in the way he ghosts past players. Physically they are quite alike too. No pressure then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, er yir macaroon said: It would be good to see McPake make some progress, u19s is probably about right. He is somewhat reminiscent of Brian Laudrup in the way he ghosts past players. Physically they are quite alike too. No pressure then. So he's the next laudrup, lucky us or Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 4 hours ago, aaid said: More clickbait nonsense from the Record. Probably planted by his agent to try and get a call up for Scotland. Does anyone really think that someone is going to seriously advise a 17 year old kid at Rangers that the best thing for his career would be to choose the ROI and be hated by a section of both your club's and national team's support. That may be but it's time that we stopped this grandparent nonsense for good. Last thing we need is another Aidan McGeady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 Apparently ROI are going to name him in their under 21 squad next month. If we do the same it'll be interesting to see who he chooses. If he chooses Ireland then good luck to him. We have too many fair-weather players as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 I would abolish the granny rule. Nobody can rightly claim a nationality based on a grandparent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 58 minutes ago, adamntg said: I would abolish the granny rule. Nobody can rightly claim a nationality based on a grandparent. I would say granny is a non starter but grand dad is OK as long as a DNA test is carried out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Can Ireland not just fuck off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Linked with a loan move to Dundee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyBlueScot Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 His Twitter page still has him in a Scotland group photo so something to keep an eye on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 9 hours ago, adamntg said: I would abolish the granny rule. Nobody can rightly claim a nationality based on a grandparent. Maybe you should need two grandparents to make the claim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, PASTA Mick said: Maybe you should need two grandparents to make the claim? I don't think FIFA get to decide whose allowed to be a citizen of every country in rhe world, which is the primary qualification to be able to international football for a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, aaid said: I don't think FIFA get to decide whose allowed to be a citizen of every country in rhe world, which is the primary qualification to be able to international football for a country. Obviously the “home” nations are different as they agree their own criteria. I don’t suppose we can stop Ireland taking our players if their constitution says grandparents is enough for citizenship. Genuine question : are McGeady, McCarthy and Houghton actually Irish citizens, or is it enough that they’re eligible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Eligibility is only likely to get more expansive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, adamntg said: Obviously the “home” nations are different as they agree their own criteria. I don’t suppose we can stop Ireland taking our players if their constitution says grandparents is enough for citizenship. Genuine question : are McGeady, McCarthy and Houghton actually Irish citizens, or is it enough that they’re eligible? They would have passports issued by the country they're playing for, in this case the Republic of Ireland. I can't remember the player involved but there was a problem with one of our players who turned up for a home game without their passport and the SFA had to send a courier to wherever to pick it up. FIFA/UEFA physically check player's passports to ensure they are eligible. The reason FIFA extended the eligibility rules was off the backs of countries like the ROI who will give citizenship based on one grandparent. It was an attempt to level the playing field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 10 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said: I would say granny is a non starter but grand dad is OK as long as a DNA test is carried out. Haha why the distinction between granny and grandpa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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