Bristolhibby Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Intreating think tank came up with the thought that if you are going to take Refugees, take the ones who HAVE trekked thousands of miles, got across boarders and speak English, as they are the exact type of enterprising people that you want in your country. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 By the criteria a couple of posters on here have, we wouldn't have taken in the 10,000 Kindertransport children before the Second World War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Intreating think tank came up with the thought that if you are going to take Refugees, take the ones who HAVE trekked thousands of miles, got across boarders and speak English, as they are the exact type of enterprising people that you want in your country. J They are the ones with a bit of "get up and go". Actually quite a lot of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mee Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Looks like Europe are going to go the same way Australia did http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/14/refugee-crisis-eu-governments-set-to-back-new-internment-camps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 But if that did happen & we were fleeing to a place of refuge, would we go to England or try to get to Saudi/Qatar/UAE etc? illegally & refusing to register anywhere on the way? Most people in the UK would want to go to USA / Canada / Australia / New Zealand regardless of France / Germany etc being closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 But if that did happen & we were fleeing to a place of refuge, would we go to England or try to get to Saudi/Qatar/UAE etc? illegally & refusing to register anywhere on the way? I'd want to get to a place where i could find work and provide for my family. Rather than register in the first country possible and be held in a squalid holding camp because the country has no additional capacity in the short term, due to hundreds of thousands of refugees already being there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I'd want to get to a place where i could find work and provide for my family. Rather than register in the first country possible and be held in a squalid holding camp because the country has no additional capacity in the short term, due to hundreds of thousands of refugees already being there. Stop being silly,you stay in those camps and you enjoy them. No ambitions please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 The question comes as to how do we determine the genuine refugees without holding camps. If we let folk in and then work out if they are genuine or not most of those who are not will disappear before they can be deported. For all holding camps can be horendus I can't see any other way where we can work out who is genuine and who is not. Not trying to be controversial or say we can't take anyone but on the same hand we can't just open our borders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 The question comes as to how do we determine the genuine refugees without holding camps. If we let folk in and then work out if they are genuine or not most of those who are not will disappear before they can be deported. For all holding camps can be horendus I can't see any other way where we can work out who is genuine and who is not. Not trying to be controversial or say we can't take anyone but on the same hand we can't just open our borders What do you think would happen if we did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 What do you think would happen if we did? You'd be able to get through Edinburgh Airport in under a fortnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Glad to see that hungary has finally stopped letting anyone into their country. most of those I see on the news trying to get in don't even look hard done by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 most of those I see on the news trying to get in don't even look hard done by. What would constitute "hard done by"? Hopping across the border carrying a self amputated leg? FFS these folk are over 1000 miles from home with their entire world in a rucksack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Having a degree or a good job previously means you have to stay in a war torn country and suck it up . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Having a degree or a good job previously means you have to stay in a war torn country and suck it up . . . It doesn't mean they should get to choose where the settle which is what seems to be the current mindset of many e.g. what's now happening in Denmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 It's estimated that 30,000 Scottish born folk leave Scotland every year to try to earn a living in all parts of the globe. Most folk don't seem to complain too much about that. To me it seems only fair and sensible that we allow at least that number to come here from other parts of the world. Our gene pool could do with a bit of refreshing. For the next few years we could give some sort of preferential treatment to folk coming here from countries which have been ####ed up, partly due to the actions of our Westminster government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Our gene pool could do with a bit of refreshing. I agree. Can we actively encourage women from Hawaii to emigrate here? I'm happy to give one for the team and procreate with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 It doesn't mean they should get to choose where the settle which is what seems to be the current mindset of many e.g. what's now happening in Denmark. Why should folk from, say Scotland, be allowed to go abroad and work pretty much anywhere they want and these folk can't. Are we inherently better than them and deserving of better treatment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I agree. Can we actively encourage women from Hawaii to emigrate here? I'm happy to give one for the team and procreate with them. I think we might need to give them at least a wee bit of an incentive Parkie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Why should folk from, say Scotland, be allowed to go abroad and work pretty much anywhere they want and these folk can't. Are we inherently better than them and deserving of better treatment? The vast majority of the people who leave Scotland will have a legal right to live and work in the country they move to. And as for the "are we inherently better than them and deserving of better treatment" that just sensationalist nonsense, the issue isn't the people it the process that they are using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 The vast majority of the people who leave Scotland will have a legal right to live and work in the country they move to. And as for the "are we inherently better than them and deserving of better treatment" that just sensationalist nonsense, the issue isn't the people it the process that they are using. So, do we have more legal rights than these foreigners? Are you OK with that. Why should it be much easier for us to migrate, in search off a better life, than it is for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilser Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Cracking stuff from the twittering classes this afternoon. The Tory guy authorised the extra-judicial assassination of a British citizen by drone strike but wears a nice suit so he's basically OK. Meanwhile Corbyn is treated as if he's dancing on the graves of the war dead because his top button is undone. Edited September 15, 2015 by neilser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I think we might need to give them at least a wee bit of an incentive Parkie. What, like if he promises to brush his teeth and take his socks off ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 It doesn't mean they should get to choose where the settle which is what seems to be the current mindset of many e.g. what's now happening in Denmark. This would be a lot easier if Europe as a whole could agree on what needs to be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Cracking stuff from the twittering classes this afternoon. The Tory guy authorised the extra-judicial assassination of a British citizen by drone strike but wears a nice suit so he's basically OK. Meanwhile Corbyn is treated as if he's dancing on the graves of the war dead because his top button is undone. Think you might have strayed into the wrong thread with that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 What, like if he promises to brush his teeth and take his socks off ? Cannae see him getting that far. Have you no seen his patter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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