fishcumnock Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Je suis targets ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Get this French Diplomat on TV with a categorical denial - that'll shaft them. Meanwhile Le «Frenchgate» de la chef des nationalistes écossais Nicola Sturgeon http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2015/04/04/01003-20150404ARTFIG00069-le-frenchgate-de-la-chef-des-nationalistes-ecossais-nicola-sturgeon.php Edited April 4, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Just seen the headlines in the shop, the Express and the Mail making big news of the "allegation". Could cost the SNP hundreds of thousands of votes says (hopes) the Mail.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Please more stories like this this is one of the main factors behind the swelling support the 'if you can't win the debate...smear' approach has turned wavering voters into lifetime snp supporters more please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Was it the crafty mastermind Carmichael, or the affable bumbling MI5? Craig Murray: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/04/uk-intelligence-services-attack-snp/ He also says: I am 100% certain that MI5 have people online posing as cybernats. BTW I see comments enabled on the BBC story http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32177315 I was reading Andrew Young's book An Easy Burden about the Civil Rights movement and he makes a similar point about their struggles in the 60s with CIA plants actign as agent provocateurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 To give Wings his credit, it's stuff like this he's in his element with*. Except when he called the "journalist" a kiddie fiddler of course. The establishment has over-stepped the boundaries to such an extent that we need someone to provide an analysis (Craig Murray is adamant about the sources as well) .Probably now getting worse than pre-referendum lies and dis-information.This is war now and if a few folk get offended by something the Rev says well tough shit tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86glebestreet Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 I was at a meeting and ed milliband said he would rather see Cameron as prime minister than himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Didn't pick up on this exerpt from the original link to the Telegraph story. 'It is a common diplomatic courtesy if an ambassador to the UK visits one of the three devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland for the British Government to be given an official readout of the conversation although the SNP leader, who has only been in position since the autumn, may have been unaware of this formality.' Translate as 'the wee lassie doesn't really know what she's doing'. So not only are they printing downright lies but they're attempting to plant the seed that she's incompetent as well. ####in scumbags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 I was at a meeting and ed milliband said he would rather see Cameron as prime minister than himself I was at a meeting and Ed Miliband said he hates black people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Hang on, if Carmichael was present at the meeting, then surely he must either endorse the accusation - in effect that Sturgeon [First Minister and lawyer] is brazenly lying in public - or else he must back her up that she didn't say it, and blow the story out the water? Which is it, Alistair? Edited April 4, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuNsTeR Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Wow both Labour and the Tories are still running this story as fact just goes to show how scared they are after the whole story has been debunked by everyone ... Labour are making Noel Hunts out of themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Hang on, if Carmichael was present at the meeting, then surely he must either endorse the accusation - in effect that Sturgeon [First Minister and lawyer] is brazenly lying in public - or else he must back her up that she didn't say it, and blow the story out the water? Which is it, Alistair? Good stuff exile.Or will he try an Alistair Darling and say he was only joking.Either way Nicola can really go for the unfinished business of destroying this buffoons career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 With hindsight I feel this was a trap. Not for the SNP, but for people like Hothersall, Dugdale and Foulkes. Get them to shout about this from every available rooftop then, when they're in a frenzy, let it be known that it was fabricated. Jumping on an obvious lie looks really childish and petulant. The fact it went all the way to Milibland makes it even worse. Didn't the PM if Spain do this after a terrorist attack. He went from election favourite to defeated in the space of about three days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanTeddy Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Would love the French Government to get involved perhaps asking why there is the inference that their representative in the UK is lying? TT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanTeddy Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 With hindsight I feel this was a trap. Not for the SNP, but for people like Hothersall, Dugdale and Foulkes. Get them to shout about this from every available rooftop then, when they're in a frenzy, let it be known that it was fabricated. Jumping on an obvious lie looks really childish and petulant. The fact it went all the way to Milibland makes it even worse. Didn't the PM if Spain do this after a terrorist attack. He went from election favourite to defeated in the space of about three days. Hadn't thought of it in that way but good point, it really does look like Miliband, Skeletor and their cronies are going to suffer most damage from this - and it puts a further wedge between the SNP and Labour in terms of any future coalition. Almost makes you think there was a meeting somewhere where Cameron has said he would prefer the SNP to win inScotland rather than Labour. TT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Good stuff exile.Or will he try an Alistair Darling and say he was only joking.Either way Nicola can really go for the unfinished business of destroying this buffoons career. I just can't believe that Sturgeon - as First Minister and lawyer (and I'd say the same of any of the party leaders - even anyone who might have been economical with the truth in the past) would now, in the full glare of the national media come out and say they 100% categorically deny something, if that something had actually taken place - remember with witnesses present, and didn't she deny it before knowing for sure she'd be backed up by the French? (we know this because people didn't believe her when it was just her word, without French corroboration) Miliband and Cameron and the rest of them, by pressing the story as if true, are effectively saying she is lying (and as TT says, implying the French are lying too). So... what do you say Alistair? What of you Nick Clegg? Charlie? Danny? Where are you on this one, guys? Edited April 4, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Does anyone know what deputy dug has actually said. ?We are now starting to see a definite pattern of naivety with this individual.She is just desperate to act on anything that she feels is detrimental to the SNP. I really can't see her lasting much longer in her current position after May.Just amateur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 I just can't believe that Sturgeon - as First Minister and lawyer (and I'd say the same of any of the party leaders - even anyone who might have been economical with the truth in the past) would now, in the full glare of the national media come out and say they 100% categorically deny something, if that something had actually taken place - remember with witnesses present, and didn't she deny it before knowing for sure she'd be backed up by the French? (we know this because people didn't believe her when it was just her word, without French corroboration) Miliband and Cameron and the rest of them, by pressing the story as if true, are effectively saying she is lying (and as TT says, implying the French are lying too). So... what do you say Alistair? What of you Nick Clegg? Charlie? Danny? Where are you on this one, guys? Yeah there are a number of labour twitererererers that were shouting that the French ambassador hadn't denied it, where's his denial etc, after Sturgeon denied it. They've gone oddly quiet. To be fair to hotherstall, ha said on his twitter account that he'd been duped and apologised for it. Never thought I'd say anything positive about that twunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Yeah there are a number of labour twitererererers that were shouting that the French ambassador hadn't denied it, where's his denial etc, after Sturgeon denied it. They've gone oddly quiet. To be fair to hotherstall, ha said on his twitter account that he'd been duped and apologised for it. Never thought I'd say anything positive about that twunt. How come Hothersall managed to work out he'd been duped in the middle of a friday night, while Ed Miliband digs himself a deeper hole by repeating the allegation this morning? Cameron was at it too - the UK PM's statement amounts to saying the French diplomats are lying. Meanwhile, not a tweet about it from those Lib Dems... Edited April 4, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Meanwhile, not a tweet about it from those Lib Dems... ....and that says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Cabinet Secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood has ordered a leak inquiry... (edit: health warning: according to The Daily Telegraph) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11515842/Cabinet-secretary-orders-inquiry-into-how-Nicola-Sturgeons-comments-were-leaked.html Edited April 4, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) To give Wings his credit, it's stuff like this he's in his element with*. Except when he called the "journalist" a kiddie fiddler of course. I haven't seen that. Earlier today I saw him suggest to a Telegraph journalist that he should jump off a cliff or in front of a train, but I haven't seen him accuse anyone of fiddling with kids. Edited April 4, 2015 by scotlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Cameron was at it too - the UK PM's statement amounts to saying the French diplomats are lying. That's not going to lose him any votes though is it? In fact calling them liars will probably win him votes down south. The truth doesn't matter. Slag off foreigners = more votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) That's not going to lose him any votes though is it? In fact calling them liars will probably win him votes down south. The truth doesn't matter. Slag off foreigners = more votes. It makes him look gloating and less "Prime Ministerial". It looks to me like an error - where are his advisors? He could have kept schtum and watched it all unfold, shafting Labour SNP and maybe Lib Dems at a stroke. Tories could have held the moral high ground letting the Telegraph do their dirty work for them By implying the French he surrenders a bit of that moral high ground that is so dramatically collapsing around Labour and, possibly yet, the Lib Dems. It has the makings of an omnishafting. Edit: about the losing votes bit: seems to me there are a fair few UKIP supporters and waverers who might have voted Tory to keep the red/snp threat at bay but if they think the Tories are all as dirty as the others may not bother Edited April 4, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 It makes him look gloating and less "Prime Ministerial". It looks to me like an error - where are his advisors? He could have kept schtum and watched it all unfold, shafting Labour SNP and maybe Lib Dems at a strike. Tories could have held the moral high ground letting the Telegraph do their dirty work for them By implying the French he surrenders a bit of that moral high ground that is so dramatically collapsing around Labour and, possibly yet, the Lib Dems. It has the makings of an omnishafting. Yes they have acres of "moral high ground" to lose right enough - shower of twisted lying bastardss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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