er yir macaroon Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tartan blood said: Agreed. Patterson did great when he came on, but that doesn't mean Fraser was rubbish. Fraser is far better further up the field. If he's getting decent game time for Newcastle between now and November, I'd start him up top with Adams. Patterson will, most likely, be our first choice rwb. However, as someone else mentioned, he's only played 4 games for Rangers. Compare that with Ramsay's 21 games. Obviously playing for Aberdeen is a different proposition to supplanting Tavernier, but Patterson might find he has stiff competition if Ramsay continues to soar. Patterson 4 games this season, Ramsay 8. Tavernier 7. That’s excluding Patterson’s first team games for Scotland. Settle down. Edited October 15, 2021 by er yir macaroon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Tartan blood said: Agreed. Patterson did great when he came on, but that doesn't mean Fraser was rubbish. Fraser is far better further up the field. If he's getting decent game time for Newcastle between now and November, I'd start him up top with Adams. Patterson will, most likely, be our first choice rwb. However, as someone else mentioned, he's only played 4 games for Rangers. Compare that with Ramsay's 21 games. Obviously playing for Aberdeen is a different proposition to supplanting Tavernier, but Patterson might find he has stiff competition if Ramsay continues to soar. Are those stats correct? From what I can see Patterson has played 17 times for Rangers (7 of those in the Europa League) and 5 times for Scotland (1 of which at the Euros) Ramsay has played 21 games for Aberdeen (according to AFC website) of which 6 were in the Europa conference league qualifiers. So in terms of top team football Paterson has actually played slightly more and at a higher level. Im very disapointed that Rangers didnt sell Taviner in the summer. It makes no business sence to me and I think damages them financially and also from a football point of view going forward. Patterson cant continue to play 2nd fiddle and Tavs stock will never be higher than it was about March last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, Diamond Scot said: Are those stats correct? From what I can see Patterson has played 17 times for Rangers (7 of those in the Europa League) and 5 times for Scotland (1 of which at the Euros) Ramsay has played 21 games for Aberdeen (according to AFC website) of which 6 were in the Europa conference league qualifiers. So in terms of top team football Paterson has actually played slightly more and at a higher level. Im very disapointed that Rangers didnt sell Taviner in the summer. It makes no business sence to me and I think damages them financially and also from a football point of view going forward. Patterson cant continue to play 2nd fiddle and Tavs stock will never be higher than it was about March last year. Patterson will be sold, not Tavernier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 hours ago, er yir macaroon said: Patterson will be sold, not Tavernier. I dont disagree. Im just pointing out that its very bad business. Tavernier around March had very good stats and had led Rangers to their 1st title in 10 years. He hadnt long turned 29 so probably could have a good 3 or 4 years at the top level. I dont think its stretching things to say he could have been sold for between 8-10 million including add ons to a lower / mid table EPL side. Somebody like Burnley for example would benefit from his crossing. That would have allowed Patterson to be the main right back for a couple of years where potentially Rangers could have been looking at a Tierney situation of 20-25 million. What they have now is Tavenier probably not being sold, certainly not for any substantial amount of money due to age and his stock dropping. Also Patterson not reaching his full value and getting frustrated with lack of game time. I still think they will get about 10 million for him but thats very poor business and short sighted imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 33 minutes ago, Diamond Scot said: I dont disagree. Im just pointing out that its very bad business. Tavernier around March had very good stats and had led Rangers to their 1st title in 10 years. He hadnt long turned 29 so probably could have a good 3 or 4 years at the top level. I dont think its stretching things to say he could have been sold for between 8-10 million including add ons to a lower / mid table EPL side. Somebody like Burnley for example would benefit from his crossing. That would have allowed Patterson to be the main right back for a couple of years where potentially Rangers could have been looking at a Tierney situation of 20-25 million. What they have now is Tavenier probably not being sold, certainly not for any substantial amount of money due to age and his stock dropping. Also Patterson not reaching his full value and getting frustrated with lack of game time. I still think they will get about 10 million for him but thats very poor business and short sighted imo. I’m not convinced Tavernier is worth that much, but if they had received a bid of that amount I’m sure he’d have been sold. I think Tavernier will be Rangers captain for another 4 years so it could be argued they’d have needed to spend a fair sum to replace him had they tried to cash in, given Patterson will be away before long, too. I see this very much as a Hateley/Duncan Ferguson scenario without the jail time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Thete is another scenario that could very soon change a lot. In growing circles Gerrard is being linked with a move to the EPL. Should that come about then the whole right-back spot at Rangers changes. A new manager may want his own man in there or may prefer Patterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csinclair Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 As much as I rate Ramsay, the way the Scotland setup operates I can't see him being involved for at least season unless we suddenly get injuries. They'll want him to pick up some more U21 caps first most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Thete is another scenario that could very soon change a lot. In growing circles Gerrard is being linked with a move to the EPL. Should that come about then the whole right-back spot at Rangers changes. A new manager may want his own man in there or may prefer Patterson. Or Gerrard might take Patterson with him? It’s all conjecture anyway until Gerrard actually leaves Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 10 hours ago, Diamond Scot said: Are those stats correct? From what I can see Patterson has played 17 times for Rangers (7 of those in the Europa League) and 5 times for Scotland (1 of which at the Euros) Ramsay has played 21 games for Aberdeen (according to AFC website) of which 6 were in the Europa conference league qualifiers. So in terms of top team football Paterson has actually played slightly more and at a higher level. Im very disapointed that Rangers didnt sell Taviner in the summer. It makes no business sence to me and I think damages them financially and also from a football point of view going forward. Patterson cant continue to play 2nd fiddle and Tavs stock will never be higher than it was about March last year. It was someone else on this forum that stated Patterson played 4 times. But they are also claiming Ramsay only played 8. However, I read an article today that states it is 21 games. Who knows. (I don't have the patience to check) 17 appearances might be accurate, but I assume most aren't starts. Why would you discount conference league games for Ramsay? They surely aren't lower than SPFL standard or the league cup games Patterson played in. Any European exposure is valuable. Anyway, I wasn't suggesting Ramsay should be in ahead of Patterson, my point was that he could be nipping at his heels before long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blantyre_Braveheart Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Tartan blood said: It was someone else on this forum that stated Patterson played 4 times. But they are also claiming Ramsay only played 8. However, I read an article today that states it is 21 games. Who knows. (I don't have the patience to check) 17 appearances might be accurate, but I assume most aren't starts. Why would you discount conference league games for Ramsay? They surely aren't lower than SPFL standard or the league cup games Patterson played in. Any European exposure is valuable. Anyway, I wasn't suggesting Ramsay should be in ahead of Patterson, my point was that he could be nipping at his heels before long. Aberdeen have only played 15 games so far this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Tartan blood said: It was someone else on this forum that stated Patterson played 4 times. But they are also claiming Ramsay only played 8. However, I read an article today that states it is 21 games. Who knows. (I don't have the patience to check) 17 appearances might be accurate, but I assume most aren't starts. Why would you discount conference league games for Ramsay? They surely aren't lower than SPFL standard or the league cup games Patterson played in. Any European exposure is valuable. Anyway, I wasn't suggesting Ramsay should be in ahead of Patterson, my point was that he could be nipping at his heels before long. It refers to this season, since people were concerned Patterson wasn’t getting enough game time. Edited October 16, 2021 by er yir macaroon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 10 hours ago, Tartan blood said: It was someone else on this forum that stated Patterson played 4 times. But they are also claiming Ramsay only played 8. However, I read an article today that states it is 21 games. Who knows. (I don't have the patience to check) 17 appearances might be accurate, but I assume most aren't starts. Why would you discount conference league games for Ramsay? They surely aren't lower than SPFL standard or the league cup games Patterson played in. Any European exposure is valuable. Anyway, I wasn't suggesting Ramsay should be in ahead of Patterson, my point was that he could be nipping at his heels before long. I wasnt discounting Europa Conference league games. I was just highlighting that Europa League and International including euros is higher for comparison purposes. I think Ramsay is a real talent and is already nipping at the heels. My post was purely in responce to the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrisandmoo Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Come on the right backs! A much better problem to have compared with not so long ago where it was either SOD or I can't remember the name of the boy who was a right back but turned into a striker. Just need some young strikers to pop up and we will definitely win the world cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Diamond Scot said: I wasnt discounting Europa Conference league games. I was just highlighting that Europa League and International including euros is higher for comparison purposes. I think Ramsay is a real talent and is already nipping at the heels. My post was purely in responce to the numbers. Yeah, I think there was just some confusion over the stats. Regardless of playing time, I think we can all agree it looks like both Patterson and Ramsay are top talents that will be fighting it out for years to come. Imagine having 2 Huttons to choose from! (I also still rate O'Donnell, but he won't last forever) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted October 16, 2021 Author Share Posted October 16, 2021 Patterson is too good for burnley. I would expect him at a tottenham/everton/leicester, maybe newcastle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Has any other club ever made a serious bid for Tavernier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Interesting what Who Scored think of our right backs. Anthony Ralston is a lot better than both of them, in fact he's better than Tavernier, in fact he's the best player in our league and not only that but it's by some distance. Can't be that good though or our Celtic fans would be posting. Having said that I've fallen out with their ratings so we can probably take that with a pinch of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 23 hours ago, csinclair said: As much as I rate Ramsay, the way the Scotland setup operates I can't see him being involved for at least season unless we suddenly get injuries. They'll want him to pick up some more U21 caps first most likely. Also Ramsay won’t see the Scotland first team cos of the team he plays for. Dons are nearly the worst team in the league this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csinclair Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just wondering if those who say Patterson shouldn't be first pick for Scotland because he isn't for Rangers think the same about Gilmour since he can't get a game for Norwich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 12 hours ago, csinclair said: Just wondering if those who say Patterson shouldn't be first pick for Scotland because he isn't for Rangers think the same about Gilmour since he can't get a game for Norwich. Very true. At the end of the day all that matters is that they do a job for Scotland when selected. Look at Wales. They have had a stellar few years and there are a few players in their starting line-up and bench who are not first team regulars. It does nt stop them qualifying for tournaments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrisandmoo Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Ralston continuing to make a strong case as to why it might be him, with another goal. Cant see him being overlooked for much longer at this rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 8 hours ago, Morrisandmoo said: Ralston continuing to make a strong case as to why it might be him, with another goal. Cant see him being overlooked for much longer at this rate. Ralston should take O’Donnells place now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrisandmoo Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 46 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Ralston should take O’Donnells place now. It might be time. Can we not just have three right backs...O'donnell is too pleasant a human being to drop.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 21 minutes ago, Morrisandmoo said: It might be time. Can we not just have three right backs...O'donnell is too pleasant a human being to drop.... O’Donnell is a great bloke. Patterson & Ralston are better options though and in all honesty so is Ramsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borojock Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I think Clarke will stick with Paterson and O'Donnell cant see him wanting to change the squad too much seems to have created, as much as i hate the phrase, a club spirit and mentality amongst the current squad. I think O'Donnell's experience 20 odd international games and 150 odd club games more than Ralston will swing it. Also i don't think O'Donnell has let us down had some shocking moments and isnt great going forward but hasnt had a shocker of a full game Only 2 additions for next squad i think will be Soutter as back up for Hendry for right of the back 3 and ive got a feeling Hickey may make it as back up left wing back. I know was named in U21 but paying regular football in the Italian top league i would want to get him integrated into squad sooner rather than later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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