kumnio Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Parklife said: So did construction. Can you show me entire construction businesses being stopped operating due to non-compliance with protocols? It’s not the same, you know that. Football is high profile, people can see what the players are doing, and it can influence their behaviour. Comparing a builder to this just doesn’t make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Parklife said: So did construction. Can you show me entire construction businesses being stopped operating due to non-compliance with protocols? It's like any other regulation. Don't get caught you don't get punished. It's harder for high profile footballers to get away with breaching regulations without being noticed. Although I'm sure plenty of them will have done already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, kumnio said: It’s not the same, you know that. Football is high profile, people can see what the players are doing, and it can influence their behaviour. Comparing a builder to this just doesn’t make sense. 8 minutes ago, Orraloon said: It's like any other regulation. Don't get caught you don't get punished. It's harder for high profile footballers to get away with breaching regulations without being noticed. Although I'm sure plenty of them will have done already. So we all agree it's unfair and is just grandstanding then? Glad you got there in the end. Rules/regulations should be applied evenly and fairly, applying them more harshly to one person solely based on their profile is grossly unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Parklife said: So we all agree it's unfair and is just grandstanding then? Glad you got there in the end. Rules/regulations should be applied evenly and fairly, applying them more harshly to one person solely based on their profile is grossly unfair. Fairness doesn't come into it as far as I'm concerned. If football clubs want to keep on playing games they need to make sure their players follow the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Orraloon said: Fairness doesn't come into it as far as I'm concerned. If construction firms want to keep on building they need to make sure their operatives follow the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) In most cases the average brickie wont be a role model to any more than his immediate family I shouldnt think One size doesn't fit all in this case - These clowns need jumped on from a great height If the SPFL / clubs won't sort it I'm happy for the SG to.... Edited August 11, 2020 by Redz Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 28 minutes ago, Parklife said: Thousands of folk use their mobiles whilst driving every day. Most of them get away with it. That doesn't mean that the ones who do get caught shouldn't be prosecuted. Top footballers are under much more scrutiny than ordinary folk and if they get seen breaking the rules lots of folk get to find out about it. It's just part of the deal that comes with the pop star wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Thousands of folk use their mobiles whilst driving every day. Most of them get away with it. That doesn't mean that the ones who do get caught shouldn't be prosecuted. Top footballers are under much more scrutiny than ordinary folk and if they get seen breaking the rules lots of folk get to find out about it. It's just part of the deal that comes with the pop star wages. Anyone with any common sense can see/understand this. I'd suggest Parklife is just looking for any argument for arguments sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Anyone with any common sense can see/understand this. I'd suggest Parklife is just looking for any argument for arguments sake. Surely not 😂😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Anyone with any common sense can see/understand this. I'd suggest Parklife is just looking for any argument for arguments sake. I don't think Parkie would ever do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Thousands of folk use their mobiles whilst driving every day. Most of them get away with it. That doesn't mean that the ones who do get caught shouldn't be prosecuted. Top footballers are under much more scrutiny than ordinary folk and if they get seen breaking the rules lots of folk get to find out about it. It's just part of the deal that comes with the pop star wages. That's a completely false equivalence. Let's stick to the actual situation, not fictitious ones. 9 football players have broken rules, all outside a football setting. Yet an two entire businesses have been stopped from carrying out their primary business function because of it. Plenty people all over the country (and on every building site I've been on in the last 5 months) are breaking the guidelines agreed to allow them to return to work. Now I'm not aware of any company that's been told to stop operating. Since you've already admitted you don't care about fairness though, this discussion is pointless. You're happy for one industry to be held to a higher standard than others and businesses told to stop operating, all because of relatively minor breaches. Ill call that out as bullshit and completely unfair. 1 minute ago, Squirrelhumper said: Anyone with any common sense can see/understand this. I'd suggest Parklife is just looking for any argument for arguments sake. You're claiming yourself and Orraloon are the beaters of common sense, at the same time Orraloon is claiming he doesn't care about fairness and is happy for different people and industries to be held to completely different standards? I'd suggest that's a bold standpoint. If your only response in a discussion is to say "anyone with common sense can see..." and have a dig at someone you disagree with, probably best not to enter in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Parklife said: That's a completely false equivalence. Let's stick to the actual situation, not fictitious ones. 9 football players have broken rules, all outside a football setting. Yet an two entire businesses have been stopped from carrying out their primary business function because of it. Plenty people all over the country (and on every building site I've been on in the last 5 months) are breaking the guidelines agreed to allow them to return to work. Now I'm not aware of any company that's been told to stop operating. Since you've already admitted you don't care about fairness though, this discussion is pointless. You're happy for one industry to be held to a higher standard than others and businesses told to stop operating, all because of relatively minor breaches. Ill call that out as bullshit and completely unfair. You're claiming yourself and Orraloon are the beaters of common sense, at the same time Orraloon is claiming he doesn't care about fairness and is happy for different people and industries to be held to completely different standards? I'd suggest that's a bold standpoint. If your only response in a discussion is to say "anyone with common sense can see..." and have a dig at someone you disagree with, probably best not to enter in the first place. It was you that brought up building sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 You are comparing apples and oranges though. Just because you say construction aren't following the rules, doesn't mean we should just ignore footballers blatantly breaking them. It's front page news - are you seriously saying the SG should ignore that? What kinda of message does that send out to folk? It needs to be clamped down on (in construction to if that's the case) but people in public eye always fall by the sword. Same as the CMO did, same as plenty of others have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Life isn't fair. I thought you would have worked that out by now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Parklife said: So we all agree it's unfair and is just grandstanding then? Glad you got there in the end. Rules/regulations should be applied evenly and fairly, applying them more harshly to one person solely based on their profile is grossly unfair. No and No. Rules and regulations for different groups of people under the same circumstances exist all over the place. Which is absolutely correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) I would imagine that if any people were caught on building sites breaking the rules, and this was brought to the attention of the Scottish Goverment or the HSE then that particular site would be shut down pending an investigation. Or if there was an outbreak that was traced back to a building site and it became apparent that the main reason for that were that the rules were being broken then I'm sure the SG would take the same action. It's not like the Government has actively looked for footballers breaking the rules whilst simultaneously ignoring everything else. Edited August 11, 2020 by Lion Rampant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 22 minutes ago, Lion Rampant said: I would imagine that if any people were caught on building sites breaking the rules, and this was brought to the attention of the Scottish Goverment or the HSE then that particular site would be shut down pending an investigation. Your imagination is very active in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Parklife said: Your imagination is very active in that case. Not really, the HSE regularly shut down sites where there have been breaches of Health and Safety that are brought to their attention, are you suggesting this isn't the case? I personally have seen it happen on numerous occasions, even when the HSE haven't been involved and it's been instructed by the Client's own H&S team. Maybe you should report all the issues that you are seeing, if you haven't already done so obviously, and see what happens. It's the only way to really compare the two situations properly. Edited August 11, 2020 by Lion Rampant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ramy 1314 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Bolingoli should be sacked.. Disgraceful what he did.. The rules are there for everyone to follow for the safety of the players, staff, and anyone associated with our club. No exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu101 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Worst thing for Celtic now would be any positive tests. UEFA have just handed Linfield a bye into the next round of Champions League qualifying due to two positive tests from players of the team they were due to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Stu101 said: I have no doubt that one of our players will fuck it up at some stage. Morelos seems too obvious though. Ryan Kent seems the type 2 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: Anyone with any common sense can see/understand this. I'd suggest Parklife is just looking for any argument for arguments sake. Not oor Parkie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Bookies should open a book on who gets the game stopped, could tempt a few bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Parklife Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: You are comparing apples and oranges though. Just because you say construction aren't following the rules, doesn't mean we should just ignore footballers blatantly breaking them. It's front page news - are you seriously saying the SG should ignore that? What kinda of message does that send out to folk? It needs to be clamped down on (in construction to if that's the case) but people in public eye always fall by the sword. Same as the CMO did, same as plenty of others have. No, I'm comparing an industry that's not so much in the public eye and provides major economic output, with one that is in the public eye but provides relatively little economic output. Guess which one the First Minister has chosen to treat unfairly and grandstand over... A mountain has been made out of molehills here. There's no reason games should've been postponed this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrisandmoo Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Aberdeen and Celtic should both be docked points. It's a pain in the cunt for the rest of the teams in the league who have to put up with inconvenience of fixtures being rescheduled because of those clubs breaching rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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