mrniaboc Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 48 minutes ago, WCTA said: You talked about a dressing room influence. Aye, it’s been working right enough the last few years. Scoring against the likes of bloody Malta hardly makes him some sort of legend. He’s not scored since 2017. He won’t be missed. I'll miss him. I think a lot of Scotland fans feel the same. Some have shorter memories though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCTA Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, mrniaboc said: I'll miss him. I think a lot of Scotland fans feel the same. Some have shorter memories though. So, you’re admitting that he was great in years gone by but not now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyBlueScot Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 Just back from Villa Park. Thought McGinn was excellent although the whole Villla team were good. He was very 'John McGinn'. Robertson didn't have much influence as much of the attacks (for both sides) were coming down the other flank and Mane didn't use him as much as he should. Still he never gave up and it was fantastic to see him score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, WCTA said: So, you’re admitting that he was great in years gone by but not now? Not quite. I admit he hasn't covered himself in glory in his last couple of games. But name a Scotland player who has? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Blantyre_Braveheart said: We could say that about literally every Scotland player ATM. In fairness to Snodgrass he had 2 very bad injuries and didn't get his first cap until his mid 20s, which sadly seems the norm for most Scotland players. Cant wait for Gilmour and Johnston to get their first caps in 5/6 years time😅😅 Yeah he was a key player for Leeds from about 2008 yet only got called up for first cap in I think 2011. Of course Leeds were lower than they are now but still should've been called up earlier. Then in fairness he was regular but got bad injury on first day of 2014-15 season and missed pretty much all of the euro qualifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 16 minutes ago, SkyBlueScot said: Just back from Villa Park. Thought McGinn was excellent although the whole Villla team were good. He was very 'John McGinn'. Robertson didn't have much influence as much of the attacks (for both sides) were coming down the other flank and Mane didn't use him as much as he should. Still he never gave up and it was fantastic to see him score. McGinn hit perfect cross for the goal. If Mulgrew isn't around I'd put him on the free kicks around the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Fleck was excellent today too and Sheffield United are 6th just now. We have a lot of players in form just now and guys like Fleck, Jack etc must be knocking on the door to be regular starters and worth a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCTA Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Fleck was excellent today too and Sheffield United are 6th just now. We have a lot of players in form just now and guys like Fleck, Jack etc must be knocking on the door to be regular starters and worth a chance. Jack a regular starter because he scored against Ross County? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, WCTA said: Jack a regular starter because he scored against Ross County? Jack a regular starter because he’s consistently excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCTA Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 22 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Jack a regular starter because he’s consistently excellent. Excellent against shite like St. Johnstone, St. Mirren, etc? Aye, that makes him a regular starter for our national team right enough. Of course it has hee haw tae dae wae the fact he plays for one of the Glasgow two now. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noctonjock Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, WCTA said: Excellent against shite like St. Johnstone, St. Mirren, etc? Aye, that makes him a regular starter for our national team right enough. Of course it has hee haw tae dae wae the fact he plays for one of the Glasgow two now. 🙄 Going by that thinking then Shankland shouldn't get called up either. He scores against lesser teams than you have mentioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 51 minutes ago, WCTA said: Excellent against shite like St. Johnstone, St. Mirren, etc? Aye, that makes him a regular starter for our national team right enough. Of course it has hee haw tae dae wae the fact he plays for one of the Glasgow two now. 🙄 It’s not rocket science that players generally improve if they move to a better club, at a higher level and play regularly. He’s been excellent in Europe and fully deserves to be in the mix in the next squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCTA Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 41 minutes ago, noctonjock said: Going by that thinking then Shankland shouldn't get called up either. He scores against lesser teams than you have mentioned I made my views clear on Shankland before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 3 hours ago, SkyBlueScot said: Just back from Villa Park. Thought McGinn was excellent although the whole Villla team were good. He was very 'John McGinn'. Robertson didn't have much influence as much of the attacks (for both sides) were coming down the other flank and Mane didn't use him as much as he should. Still he never gave up and it was fantastic to see him score. Interesting about Robbo. I thought I heard his name a lot on the radio commentary, and just watched MOTD and he was in loads of the highlights. Maybe he just found his way into a few of the bigger moments? Nothing compares to being at the game and seeing the full story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 7 hours ago, noctonjock said: Going by that thinking then Shankland shouldn't get called up either. He scores against lesser teams than you have mentioned Correct, shankland shouldn't be called up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Beem Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Shankland scores again. Long may the Hun style seethe continue. 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 We’ve recently had Michael Devlin & Stephen O’Donnell as regular starters yet people scoff at calling up and starting players who have been on form for over 12 months & in some cases are playing and playing well in Europe. Lets also not call up Billy Gilmour for another few years as we know much better than the other nations who may qualify for tournaments but don’t make their players earn the right to wear the jersey like we do.... Only in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Cheers Snoddy, thanks for retiring Cheers Broonie, thanks for retiring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 41 minutes ago, ProudScot said: We’ve recently had Michael Devlin & Stephen O’Donnell as regular starters yet people scoff at calling up and starting players who have been on form for over 12 months & in some cases are playing and playing well in Europe. Lets also not call up Billy Gilmour for another few years as we know much better than the other nations who may qualify for tournaments but don’t make their players earn the right to wear the jersey like we do.... Only in Scotland. Michael Devlin and Stephen o'Donnell have been.called up simply because theres no better alternative. Ryan jack may be on form but hes behind what we have including fleck IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: Michael Devlin and Stephen o'Donnell have been.called up simply because theres no better alternative. Ryan jack may be on form but hes behind what we have including fleck IMO I accept all of that. Also Fleck is bang on form for what is currently a top 6 EPL side so clearly he should start and starting either McGregor or Jack ahead of him would be foolish. Jack, however, should be in the mix with guys like McTominay, McGinn & Fleck the probable starting 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, ProudScot said: Fleck was excellent today too and Sheffield United are 6th just now. We have a lot of players in form just now and guys like Fleck, Jack etc must be knocking on the door to be regular starters and worth a chance. Two 27/28 year olds who weren't in the picture six months ago( in Flecks case six weeks ago) should now be starting for Scotland. Neither with any international experience. looks like another 22 years in the wilderness to me. Edited November 3, 2019 by ceudmilefailte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, ProudScot said: I accept all of that. Also Fleck is bang on form for what is currently a top 6 EPL side so clearly he should start and starting either McGregor or Jack ahead of him would be foolish. Jack, however, should be in the mix with guys like McTominay, McGinn & Fleck the probable starting 3 I disagree, jack is behind mctominey and McGinn as is McGregor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 4 hours ago, vanderark14 said: Correct, shankland shouldn't be called up. Ideally we shouldn't be calling up players from the Championship but which other Scottish strikers scoring regularly at the moment? I can think of Fraser Hornby scoring a few on loan in Belgium but other than that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Hornby has scored two goals in seven games and they were both against one of the worst teams in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 On 11/1/2019 at 5:33 PM, mrniaboc said: Technically it's 66.66 recurring, but this is neither the time nor the place for a mathematics debate. Any Scottish players in action this evening? Incorrect maths should always be challenged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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