EU Referendum

[mariokempes56]

3 minutes ago, Alan said:

What the f has "Scotland:Stronger In" campaign been doing and the "unstoppable SNP election machine". My local SNP MP created a hash tag. It's been used twice.

SNP bad ??? Geez peeece

[weekevie04]

3 minutes ago, Alan said:

What the f has "Scotland:Stronger In" campaign been doing and the "unstoppable SNP election machine". My local SNP MP created a hash tag. It's been used twice.

You should offer your services to help them be a stronger voice. Some canvassing and leafleting wouldn't go a miss in the final weeks to secure the Remain vote.

[Rossy]

3 minutes ago, Alan said:

What the f has "Scotland:Stronger In" campaign been doing and the "unstoppable SNP election machine". My local SNP MP created a hash tag. It's been used twice.

If you think the SNP election machine has been wading into this mess, you're nuts.

This is Cameron's shambles, and in the end it's going to be his failure.

[Alan]

1 hour ago, Rossy said:

If you think the SNP election machine has been wading into this mess, you're nuts.

This is Cameron's shambles, and in the end it's going to be his failure.

And it will impact everyone in UK. Not you immediately in Netherlands but possibly afterwards when other countries start agitating to leave if its a Brexit vote.

[Alan]

2 hours ago, weekevie04 said:

You should offer your services to help them be a stronger voice. Some canvassing and leafleting wouldn't go a miss in the final weeks to secure the Remain vote.

The winning Better Together skills have been dusted off and I'm hitting the streets looking for a 2 for 2 result. Although the number of times immigration came up from Yes and No voters will make it interesting for this referendum.

 

[Rossy]

9 minutes ago, Alan said:

And it will impact everyone in UK. Not you immediately in Netherlands but possibly afterwards when other countries start agitating to leave if its a Brexit vote.

Another childish dig at someone who had the intelligence and guts to broaden his horizons by choosing to work abroad. 

You should try moving more than 5 miles away from your mummy sometime, that'll maybe let you see the world a bit and rid you of your little Englander mentality. 

[Alan]

46 minutes ago, Rossy said:

Another childish dig at someone who had the intelligence and guts to broaden his horizons by choosing to work abroad. 

You should try moving more than 5 miles away from your mummy sometime, that'll maybe let you see the world a bit and rid you of your little Englander mentality. 

"Intelligence and guts". Great stuff.

"Little Englander" from the Dutch Bonnie Prince Charlie. Are you as keen on Dutch politics?

[EddardStark]

Latest Poll gives remain one point lead with 9% still in the don't know. Hopefully these will be people who will be brought to their senses and vote to remain.

Edited June 14, 2016 by EddardStark

[mariokempes56]

Its scarily heading for leave. Bejesus 

[Orraloon]

3 hours ago, mariokempes56 said:

SNP bad ??? Geez peeece

Montyfuk Mario, surely you know by now that if the UK leaves the EU it will be all the fault of the SNP. And if the UK doesn't leave that will also be the fault of the SNP. Win, win - SNP bad, SNP bad.

[mariokempes56]

2 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

Montyfuk Mario

I like that.

[Ally Bongo]

20 minutes ago, mariokempes56 said:

Its scarily heading for leave. Bejesus 

That was always likely if you take the results from the GE vote share

UKIP got 3,881,099

Tories got 11,334,576

Labour 9,347,304

Libs 2,415,862

SNP 1,454,436

The big question is how many of the Tory voters are real Conservatives who will most definitely vote Leave 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dave78]

Scottish vote prediction seems to be narrowing....

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/06/britain-s-eu-referendum

[DonnyTJS]

1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said:

That was always likely if you take the results from the GE vote share

UKIP got 3,881,099

Tories got 11,334,576

Labour 9,347,304

Libs 2,415,862

SNP 1,454,436

The big question is how many of the Tory voters are real Conservatives who will most definitely vote Leave 

 

I don't think it's necessarily so that 'real Conservatives' will definitely vote Leave. It was Heath took us in in the first place (against mainly socialist opposition), no farting around with referendums then. Unless your definition of a 'real Conservative' is someone who would vote to leave, which is rather a circular argument.

[DonnyTJS]

15 hours ago, Armitage Shanks said:

I am voting REMAIN for various reasons.

I like the thought of living in mainland Europe one day. I don't want people losing their jobs or losing out on business. I am pro immigrant. And I detest the little Englander and pro british attitude.

 

You would still be able to live in mainland Europe were the UK to leave the EU. Also, I don't really see what's wrong with people who feel British being pro-British, nor do I see that feeling pro-British necessarily makes someone a Leave voter. Most Germans are pro-German, French pro-French, Danes pro-Danish, Austrians pro-Fascist etc.

The assumption that anyone who is minded to vote Leave is anti-immigrant (or 'racist' as has been repeatedly suggested by a number of posters) is flawed too. The various manifestations of a structured European community since the 1950s have done a wonderful job at preventing another Franco-German war, but the inexorable move towards 'ever closer union' raised practical issues that started coming home to roost with the Euro-zone crisis and the failure of the Union to ensure all its members maintained the deficit spending limits agreed at Maastricht. That whole episode and what has followed could suggest that it's not a very well-run club, and rather than trying to opt out of the bits we don't fancy, it might be more straightforward just to leave and reformulate our relations from outwith the Union.

That is neither a racist, xenophobic nor an anti-immigration stance, it doesn't even make someone who holds it a 'little Englander' - I suspect it is a factor for a number of Scots who intend to vote Leave - but it seems to have been ignored as a reason why many might feel uncomfortable in the Union. Still, folk feel that the best and most positive way of encouraging such people to shift to the Remain camp is to call them racists if they don't. Neat strategy.

[brant grebner]

There's a hell of a difference between English people who deal with the consequences of the UK immigration policy on a daily basis and have seen a palpable change in the demography of their communities and Scottish people who intend to vote leave on the grounds of immigration.

The English people have experienced the benefits and the pitfalls of mass unchecked immigration.

Scottish people have not.

Anyone Scottish who intends to vote leave on the grounds of immigration is an insular racist bell-end and is basically Anders Breivik without the bus-fare.

[Regenmann]

4 hours ago, DonnyTJS said:

You would still be able to live in mainland Europe were the UK to leave the EU. Also, I don't really see what's wrong with people who feel British being pro-British, nor do I see that feeling pro-British necessarily makes someone a Leave voter. Most Germans are pro-German, French pro-French, Danes pro-Danish, Austrians pro-Fascist etc.

The assumption that anyone who is minded to vote Leave is anti-immigrant (or 'racist' as has been repeatedly suggested by a number of posters) is flawed too. The various manifestations of a structured European community since the 1950s have done a wonderful job at preventing another Franco-German war, but the inexorable move towards 'ever closer union' raised practical issues that started coming home to roost with the Euro-zone crisis and the failure of the Union to ensure all its members maintained the deficit spending limits agreed at Maastricht. That whole episode and what has followed could suggest that it's not a very well-run club, and rather than trying to opt out of the bits we don't fancy, it might be more straightforward just to leave and reformulate our relations from outwith the Union.

That is neither a racist, xenophobic nor an anti-immigration stance, it doesn't even make someone who holds it a 'little Englander' - I suspect it is a factor for a number of Scots who intend to vote Leave - but it seems to have been ignored as a reason why many might feel uncomfortable in the Union. Still, folk feel that the best and most positive way of encouraging such people to shift to the Remain camp is to call them racists if they don't. Neat strategy.

[Regenmann]

4 hours ago, brant grebner said:

There's a hell of a difference between English people who deal with the consequences of the UK immigration policy on a daily basis and have seen a palpable change in the demography of their communities and Scottish people who intend to vote leave on the grounds of immigration.

The English people have experienced the benefits and the pitfalls of mass unchecked immigration.

Scottish people have not.

Anyone Scottish who intends to vote leave on the grounds of immigration is an insular racist bell-end and is basically Anders Breivik without the bus-fare.

Simply not true - my girlfriend humiliatingly dumped me for a Bulgarian with a missing front tooth  .

Edited June 15, 2016 by Regenmann

[Flora MaDonald]

If it's any consolation, I pumped a Bulgarian burd.

[Pool Q]

I've been down south quite a lot recently through work and the referendum campaigm seems to me to be considerably less noticeable in Scotland. A lot of people who were actively involved in the Yes campaign are not involving themselves in the various pro EU campaigns. Some I know chose to put there energy (and days off) into the recent elections; some were horrified at how the EU handled the financial crisis and the treatment of Greece in particular. Many just refuse to be involved in a campaign led by, or associated with, the likes of Cameron and Osbourne, and using the same dishonest tactics as BT did. The whole thing just hasn't engaged people here in the way that the independence referendum did. In the end though I think the crucial factor in this referendum may be the media calling out some of the more ridiculous claims made by Remain in a way that just didn't happen in the independence campaign. And the failure of Remain to firstly anticipate they wouldn't have a tame media, and then to adapt their tactics accordingly.

[Rossy]

16 minutes ago, Pool Q said:

I've been down south quite a lot recently through work and the referendum campaigm seems to me to be considerably less noticeable in Scotland. A lot of people who were actively involved in the Yes campaign are not involving themselves in the various pro EU campaigns. Some I know chose to put there energy (and days off) into the recent elections; some were horrified at how the EU handled the financial crisis and the treatment of Greece in particular. Many just refuse to be involved in a campaign led by, or associated with, the likes of Cameron and Osbourne, and using the same dishonest tactics as BT did. The whole thing just hasn't engaged people here in the way that the independence referendum did. In the end though I think the crucial factor in this referendum may be the media calling out some of the more ridiculous claims made by Remain in a way that just didn't happen in the independence campaign. And the failure of Remain to firstly anticipate they wouldn't have a tame media, and then to adapt their tactics accordingly.

The way the media have remained 'balanced' and 'neutral' (in the sense that some are for, some against) in this whole internal Tory squabble has been one of the more interesting aspects of this campaign.

Compare that with the almost blanket bias against Scottish independence, and the refusal to allow the 'Yes' side a fair crack of the whip.

I didn't read the Daily Mail for example, deriding Cameron for Project Fear during the Scottish referendum campaign, in the same way as they're criticising him now for using exactly the same tactics.

 

[Regenmann]

50 minutes ago, Flora MaDonald said:

If it's any consolation, I pumped a Bulgarian burd.

[Scunnered]

I'm told Sheridan has come out for leave...  I'm now conflicted.

[Mee]

Osborne is going all in with his draft budget. Tories ripped in two now and talks of votes of no confidence. 

[TDYER63]

50 minutes ago, Regenmann said:

Who allowed you to use my photo ???