exile Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) The Independent to cease as print edition http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35561145 Or as the Independent has it "becomes the first national newspaper to embrace a global, digital-only future" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/the-independent-becomes-the-first-national-newspaper-to-embrace-a-global-digital-only-future-a6869736.html Edited February 12, 2016 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 428,000 copies sold a day down to 28,000 I do buy the i a few times a week, hopefully Johnston Press getting hold of it wont mean it becomes as politically skewed as the Scotsman... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 First of many, I doubt that in 5 years time there will be any daily newspapers available in print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 What's the point of newspapers in this day and age you can't even wrap chips in them anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 This is the only paper I bought. Sad to see it go. Also read it on holiday or on a train journey to work. And the occasional Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 They weren't quite so 'independent' during the referendum so, eh, good riddance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 The Independent was the last paper I bought a physical copy of although I haven't bought it regularly for years. It was a breath of fresh air when it first came out. Its demise will presumably mean that UK wide politics programmes on TV and radion commenting on what the papers say will be even more right wing and rabid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 18 hours ago, aaid said: First of many, I doubt that in 5 years time there will be any daily newspapers available in print. There will definitely be a reduced number but I doubt they'll disappear completely, but it will likely be Rupert who has the monopoly. 6 hours ago, Stapes said: They weren't quite so 'independent' during the referendum so, eh, good riddance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 6 hours ago, Stapes said: They weren't quite so 'independent' during the referendum so, eh, good riddance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 16 minutes ago, Scunnered said: There will definitely be a reduced number but I doubt they'll disappear completely, but it will likely be Rupert who has the monopoly. Sadly so. Rupert makes a loss on The Times but it allows him to have a voice and influence public opinion/policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Hertsscot said: The Independent was the last paper I bought a physical copy of although I haven't bought it regularly for years. It was a breath of fresh air when it first came out. Its demise will presumably mean that UK wide politics programmes on TV and radion commenting on what the papers say will be even more right wing and rabid. Stops buying a paper. It closes print edition. Complains about titles remaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, Scunnered said: There will definitely be a reduced number but I doubt they'll disappear completely, but it will likely be Rupert who has the monopoly. I don't think that newspapers will cease to exist as organisations, although I suspect some may fall by the wayside but that it's print as a medium that will disappear. The print edition of the Independent runs at a loss but the website runs at a profit. The Daily Mail is one of the biggest "news" websites in the world, I was in Chicago a couple of years ago and saw a billboard ad for the Daily Mail. Similarly the Guardian is focussing more on online than print. The Sun has recently stopped its paywall. It will only take one or two papers to go fully online before the rest will follow. The Independent is one, who will be the second? Edited February 13, 2016 by aaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 6 hours ago, Alan said: Stops buying a paper. It closes print edition. Complains about titles remaining. Well you got that one right but seeing its ten years or so since I bought the Independent regularly I'm not sure you can lay that one at my door! Incidentally I do buy a paper still but it's not a physical copy. Anyhow the point that you haven't acknowledged is there's a limiting of political debate e.g. at the BBC they'll comment on what the papers say. I'm not so sure that the BBC needs to devote as much airtime or space on their website to what the papers say as paper sales continue to plummet but the fact is that if the Independent is no longer there the views put forward by the press will be more right wing then ever and at the same time less representative. The interesting question is whether in a few years time they'll have supplemented or replaced what the papers say with what blogs or twitter say and even more interesting and significant what ones will they comment on and which will they exclude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 13 hours ago, aaid said: I don't think that newspapers will cease to exist as organisations, although I suspect some may fall by the wayside but that it's print as a medium that will disappear. The print edition of the Independent runs at a loss but the website runs at a profit. The Daily Mail is one of the biggest "news" websites in the world, I was in Chicago a couple of years ago and saw a billboard ad for the Daily Mail. Similarly the Guardian is focussing more on online than print. The Sun has recently stopped its paywall. It will only take one or two papers to go fully online before the rest will follow. The Independent is one, who will be the second? Can someone explain the attraction of the Daily Mail to me ? Granted i only ever see the scottish hard copy edition and a worldwide online version may be an improvement. As i mentioned in a previous thread , all i ever see in the scottish edition is a constant pop at the SNP , veiled racism, slobbering over the Royal Family / J K Rowling/ Helen Mirren. Add to that a 'fashion page' that would have Coco Chanel birling in her grave, a 'Good Health ' page that is a hypochondriac's wet dream and a never ending competition to win a thatched cottage somewhere posh and middle class . Thats the Mail. Can someone please explain its polularity. To me it really is just 'The Sun' for the Hyacinth Buckets of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 People generally buy news that reaffirms their views and opinions on the world. Hence why the mail is pretty popular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: People generally buy news that reaffirms their views and opinions on the world. Hence why the mail is pretty popular That hasn't made me feel any better ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Used to buy the Independent until they came out for The Tories in May. em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I still buy papers. Online I jump from article to article but when I read in paper form I feel i take it in more. Newspapers are very important as they do far more good than bad and an independent and questioning media is a vital part of democracy. Guardian on a Saturday. Sunday Times, The Herald (though online subscription) and a couple days a week will get Times or Guardian or telegraph or Indy. Sad news losing a print title but that's internet, tablets, blogs and also bbc news being far to big imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 11 hours ago, TDYER63 said: Can someone explain the attraction of the Daily Mail to me ? Granted i only ever see the scottish hard copy edition and a worldwide online version may be an improvement. I think they have a pretty user friendly app, has a lot of the sort of stuff my wife likes, the celeb gossip type stuff. the downside of course is that she dips into the news section, so we now have swastika bed sheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 14, 2016 Author Share Posted February 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Alan said: Newspapers are very important as they do far more good than bad and an independent and questioning media is a vital part of democracy. I used to think that. But it's hard now to imagine what an "ïndependent and questioning"media is. Once the Independent was, for example, against the Iraq war and resistant to the lies of the Blair government and counterweight to the cheerleading of the BBC. By the end it was reduced to printing its own mendacious misrepresentation and propaganda, not least about the referendum (see above). So I couldn't say that papers doing that do more good than bad; at most, it's impossible to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Alan said: I still buy papers. Online I jump from article to article but when I read in paper form I feel i take it in more. Newspapers are very important as they do far more good than bad and an independent and questioning media is a vital part of democracy. Guardian on a Saturday. Sunday Times, The Herald (though online subscription) and a couple days a week will get Times or Guardian or telegraph or Indy. Sad news losing a print title but that's internet, tablets, blogs and also bbc news being far to big imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 That's nationalism for you. Far stronger than standard political disagreement. Referendum outweighs any other matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 57 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Exactly Sometimes I'm envious of Alan's world were the government tries to do good and the media just report the news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 49 minutes ago, Alan said: That's nationalism for you. Far stronger than standard political disagreement. Referendum outweighs any other matter. The referendum is only a window into the problems with the media in the uk and across the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: The referendum is only a window into the problems with the media in the uk and across the world Exactly. I would say both the Iraq war and then the referendum opened the eyes of many people. That's why I used both examples. The way Blair managed to manipulate most of the Labour party to support a neo-con repbulican gun-toting american president. The use of propaganda, etc.... George Orwell would be turning in his grave. The point being lots of us didn't necessarily notice these things - previously trusted newspapers' deceptions and omissions - until we saw some of the biggest issues of our day reflected (distorted) in them - which included wars and independence, which are crucial issues of democracy - not 'nationalism'. Remember Patrick Harvie said strikingly in the ref debates, "I'm not a nationalist..." yet people still bang on about it, as if dropping the n-word into a debate should end the argument. Edited February 15, 2016 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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