Orraloon Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 You must be on the wind up. We shouldn't be needing to score 3 goals to win games against top teams. To Score 2 goals twice against Poland should have been enough to take at least 4 points. To Score 3 goals over 2 games v Germany we should have taken something. The Defence needs fixing first before we start the next qualifiers. When you've got a shit defence you need to score more goals to compensate. Unfortunately we have got a shit defence and are shit up front as well. I thought we were starting to improve in midfield but recent games have led me to the conclusion that we are only slightly better than shit there as well. I think we have 3 good keepers but when they are trying to cover up all that shit in front of them they are going to start making mistakes at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) This is a completely stupid thread. I don't think anyone was ever under any illusion that our defence is any less leaky than our strike force is impotent. Surely the only reason the strike force was discussed more widely was because that is the area where it is perceived by most that we have more options? Edited October 15, 2015 by Marky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 You are a visionary. Some people also claim that goals are entertaining. I am and they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Losing so many goals (cheaply) at set pieces/crosses etc at this level is a problem Some of our goals scored have been very well worked ; bordering on the sublime ( for Scotland) Although we undo that by gifting other side easy chances ; was in Whittaker in Poland who's elephant touch set up one goal Germany away ; schoolboy defending etc Georgia away ; bad goal to lose ; didn't even challenge the second ball never mind the first ; guy had so much time to take it down at edge of box and pick his spot ; unchallenged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 what can you do - You have who you have. We have poor players but they are the best that we have.You can't magic players out of thin air, you try and potect them I guess, which we do okay at apart from when Scott Brown goes chasing balls etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajin Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 One fewer goal conceded in our games and we would have picked up 11 extra points. Obviously one extra goal conceded is exactly the same as one extra goal scored in terms of the result. Jesus wept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Hunt Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 So we all agree that there is room for improvement at both ends of the park Aye - and in the middle too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Nine out of ten games we scored in (all four games against automatic qualifiers). Only three out of ten games did we keep a clean sheet in and two of those matches were against the might of Georgia and Gibraltar. Your last sentence proves the case. Our defence couldn't even keep Gibraltar out at Hampden. Pathetic.The rest of the team did their Job on the day. If our defence was more reliable then we would score more goals as the forward going players wouldn't be needed to shore up at the back so often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radian_13 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 If you score 2 away and home to Poland, 2 at home to Germany yet get 2 points from a possible 9 somes our team up......to me our attack has done its job it's our defensive structure which has cost us. Too naive. No discipline at the back. We are far too easy to score against. Need to get a defensive minded CM in there for a start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 ProudScot, on 15 Oct 2015 - 3:33 PM, said: apart from when Scott Brown goes chasing balls etc. How can someone so experienced be such a fecking idiot. Flying in to try and win the ball when the best course of action is to stand his ground and jockey his opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 bajin, on 15 Oct 2015 - 3:48 PM, said: Obviously one extra goal conceded is exactly the same as one extra goal scored in terms of the result. Jesus wept. It's fecking barmy that someone needs that explained to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 To win games you have to score goals and we did that in nine out of ten games. The problem was the goals we leaked - it isn't rocket science. Look at the goals we scored - top quality a lot of them. Look at the goals we conceded - painful watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 It's fecking barmy that someone needs that explained to them And it's insane that the boy still doesn't seem to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Caledonian Craig, on 15 Oct 2015 - 4:55 PM, said: Look at the goals we scored - top quality a lot of them. Are you mentally-ill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajin Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I agree to a certain extent. Our defence is pish, no question. I'd even probably agree that it's where we are weakest. Plenty we're pish at, though, so it's a bit much to think that is we dig up a Baresi from somewhere all our problems will be solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 What don't you get Parklife? Ireland scored fewer goals than us but are in the play-offs - we missed out purely because we leaked more goals than Ireland at key times in key matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I agree to a certain extent. Our defence is pish, no question. I'd even probably agree that it's where we are weakest. Plenty we're pish at, though, so it's a bit much to think that is we dig up a Baresi from somewhere all our problems will be solved. You can start by getting some organisation in the team, especially at set pieces. We've started to lose a lot of scrappy goals, which seem to being passed off as bad luck but could be avoided by good defending and concentration. Maybe Strachan needs to think about getting a defensive minded coach in as part of his back room staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 What don't you get Parklife? Ireland scored fewer goals than us but are in the play-offs - we missed out purely because we leaked more goals than Ireland at key times in key matches. I can't figure out if you're trolling, or just dumb... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 Parklife why the insults? You don't friggin' agree fine. No need for the nastiness. We are all after the same thing here - the difference of opinion is where the biggest weaknesses are and as far as I can see a blind man can spot our defence has problems if it can't shut out Georgia and Gibraltar and our attack can't be too shabby having scored three goals in two games against the world champions and four against the other automatic qualifiers Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Goals win games. Not conceding helps win games. Massive insights on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Goals win games. Not conceding helps win games. Massive insights on this thread. That's nothing. 2 people on the how we stack up thread think I was serious when mentioning Holland and the Netherlands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 And it's insane that the boy still doesn't seem to get it. He might be on to something though. Maybe if they made goals "scored" count double then it would encourage attacking play? How's about that for an idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 the ball is round pass to each other also helps to play the ball on the ground and not forgetting to score more goals than the opposition simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 What don't you get Parklife? Ireland scored fewer goals than us but are in the play-offs - we missed out purely because we leaked more goals than Ireland at key times in key matches. Czech Rep scored less goals than us and conceded more yet they won a group which was far harder than ours. How did that happen? Mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 He might be on to something though. Maybe if they made goals "scored" count double then it would encourage attacking play? How's about that for an idea? I'll be nominating you to replace Sepp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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