DonnyTJS Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) That's right. Would that decision come down to PM? If the prosecutors at the ICC in the Hague decided to prosecute, a sympathetic PM could make things move more swiftly, I imagine (compare the difficulties with Kenyatta in Kenya). Just guessing though. Still, Corbyn would get my vote based on that statement. Edited August 12, 2015 by DonnyTJS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I used to detest McTeirnan. I now think he is Quite funny. http://wingsoverscotland.com/sticks-and-stones/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_burger Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I used to detest McTeirnan. I now think he is Quite funny. http://wingsoverscotland.com/sticks-and-stones/ He's not very bright, is he Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Corbyn is coming to Dundee today. I was in the city square earlier on and it was mobbed. I thought "Wow, this Corbynmania is bigger than I expected". Then I realised that all the folk were there for the Gamesfest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitism A monumentally bizarre attack on Corbyn in the Guardian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitism A monumentally bizarre attack on Corbyn in the Guardian If they were going to smear best fact checking first. This dude loves George Orwell then writes that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 ....and here he is, right on cue: http://www.totalpolitics.com/blog/450836/after-blair-and-campbell-now-gordon-brown-prepares-to-weigh-in-on-labours-future.thtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I just dont get the Corbyn love in. is it simply because the other candidates are really, really bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) I just dont get the Corbyn love in. is it simply because the other candidates are really, really bad? If you have been watching and listening over the last couple of months then you wouldnt have had to ask that question ! Despite McTernan's diatribe Labour lost the last election because most people couldnt tell the difference between them and the Tories apart from being a poor sort of Tory lite party The other 3 candidates have basically just reaffirmed that Corbyn has been very different Edited August 13, 2015 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I just dont get the Corbyn love in. is it simply because the other candidates are really, really bad? Because he's an honest politician - fast becoming an oxymoron in recent years - whose values are those of non-Blairite Labour: something many many people, disenfranchised for years by parties intent on power ahead of social justice, have been waiting for. That a breath of fresh air through the Augean stables of UK politics should be popular is hardly surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Because he's an honest politician - fast becoming an oxymoron in recent years - whose values are those of non-Blairite Labour: something many many people, disenfranchised for years by parties intent on power ahead of social justice, have been waiting for. That a breath of fresh air through the Augean stables of UK politics should be popular is hardly surprising. Where's Heracles with his river when you need him. It's amazing how everyone is raising up to try and tear him down. Voting for him could effect more change than voting for any other politician in Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitism A monumentally bizarre attack on Corbyn in the Guardian Phenomenal comments though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitism A monumentally bizarre attack on Corbyn in the Guardian The Guardian really is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Corbyn is coming to Dundee today. I was in the city square earlier on and it was mobbed. I thought "Wow, this Corbynmania is bigger than I expected". Then I realised that all the folk were there for the Gamesfest. The event in Glasgow booked up in less than 2 hours, they moved it to a bigger venue and that filled up in another hour. Thoroughly looking forward to it tomorrow. Hope the support bands good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Corbyn blames Scotland electoral defeat on weak austerity and Trident stances http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-blames-scotland-electoral-defeat-weak-austerity-trident-stances with a bit of Kezia, and on working with SNP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 The event in Glasgow booked up in less than 2 hours, they moved it to a bigger venue and that filled up in another hour. Thoroughly looking forward to it tomorrow. Hope the support bands good! 300 in Aberdeen. Some of them were SNP folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Has anybody called him a Nazi yet? If not, then they are clearly still not as worried about him as they were about brother Alex yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 All I can see happening here is that Corbyn gets the leadership, ensures Labour have no chance thereafter of power in government, meanwhile some support swings back to Labour in Scotland weakening SNP and denting hopes of another go for Independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Has anybody called him a Nazi yet? If not, then they are clearly still not as worried about him as they were about brother Alex yet. Well, how about anti-semitism? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbruman Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Doesn't really matter who gets the leadership. The Labour Parliamentary Party, MSPs and councilors are mainly Blairites with views way to the right of those potential Labour voters. The only hope Labour have is Corbyn being elected leader , then somehow allowing the non-Tory parts of the party to regain control. If any of these other nonentities become Leader - Labour is finished. The only outcome I see is Labour splitting up - Blairites combine with Lib Dems to form a new party - and the ostracized left of the Labour party form a new English party. "Scottish" Labour are a laughing stock anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 All I can see happening here is that Corbyn gets the leadership, ensures Labour have no chance thereafter of power in government, meanwhile some support swings back to Labour in Scotland weakening SNP and denting hopes of another go for Independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 All I can see happening here is that Corbyn gets the leadership, ensures Labour have no chance thereafter of power in government, meanwhile some support swings back to Labour in Scotland weakening SNP and denting hopes of another go for Independence. This is the mantra of the Tories and the Red Tories within Labour Now - if it was really true why would the Tories be so animated about Corbyn ? How many Tory party meetings could equal the sights seen at Corbyn meetings all around England ? He appears to have mobilised quite a grassroots movement in England similar to what the SNP have done in Scotland Labour in Scotland are finished with or without Corbyn Sure he may get them a few extra votes but most folk can now see through Scottish Labour especially if Kezia gets the gig There could easily be a English Labour/SNP coalition at the next GE if Corbyn manages to sway all the working class UKIP voters back to Labour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 All I can see happening here is that Corbyn gets the leadership, ensures Labour have no chance thereafter of power in government, meanwhile some support swings back to Labour in Scotland weakening SNP and denting hopes of another go for Independence. Interesting analysis here... http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/could-a-corbyn-leadership-revive-scottish-labour/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 This is the mantra of the Tories and the Red Tories within Labour Now - if it was really true why would the Tories be so animated about Corbyn ? How many Tory party meetings could equal the sights seen at Corbyn meetings all around England ? He appears to have mobilised quite a grassroots movement in England similar to what the SNP have done in Scotland Labour in Scotland are finished with or without Corbyn Sure he may get them a few extra votes but most folk can now see through Scottish Labour especially if Kezia gets the gig There could easily be a English Labour/SNP coalition at the next GE if Corbyn manages to sway all the working class UKIP voters back to Labour Tories animated about Corbyn? Not seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Tories animated about Corbyn? Not seen it. You need to stay up late for Newsnight Not to mention the Mail & Torygraph etc views http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3190691/PETER-HITCHENS-bearded-Lefty-wins-s-Tories-ll-whisker-away-disaster.html Edited August 13, 2015 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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