Scunnered Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Have a gander at the 1983 GE manifesto that was described as the longest suicide note in history. Corbyn is hell bent on going one better. Allied to the fact that he is against self-determination for Scotland whilst supporting a united Ireland and cosying up to IRA terrorism. All good news for the SNP as Corbyn has shown his true colours. As bad as the halfwits in the Red Tories who bombarded us with lies and scaremongering during indyref and the last election campaign. Rightio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 Have a gander at the 1983 GE manifesto that was described as the longest suicide note in history. Corbyn is hell bent on going one better. Allied to the fact that he is against self-determination for Scotland whilst supporting a united Ireland and cosying up to IRA terrorism. All good news for the SNP as Corbyn has shown his true colours. As bad as the halfwits in the Red Tories who bombarded us with lies and scaremongering during indyref and the last election campaign. No UK labour leader will support Scottish independence, Corbyn will be no different. Extra powers is another argument but then you could argue that more powers will actually be bad for Scotland. To lump Corbyn in with better together and the majority of Westminster politicians is crazy, you might not agree with what he says but at least he has principles and is honest. I may get stick for this but you could argue that a UK with Corbyn as PM will be more socially just than an independent Scotland with the SNP in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Mandelson seemingly attempted to get the other three candidates to pull out, on the basis that the election would then be void ... except it wouldn't, and he ended up looking like a bit of a tw@t. Questions is, why are Blair, Mandelson, Brown et al cacking themselves at the thought of a left winger leading the self-proclaimed 'party of the left'? Could it be that they truly believe that a left winger will keep Labour out of power for years to come? Or could it be that they have foregone their left wing credentials and the thought of Labour being a left wing party is alien to them? Probably a bit of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 Mandelson seemingly attempted to get the other three candidates to pull out, on the basis that the election would then be void ... except it wouldn't, and he ended up looking like a bit of a tw@t. Questions is, why are Blair, Mandelson, Brown et al cacking themselves at the thought of a left winger leading the self-proclaimed 'party of the left'? Could it be that they truly believe that a left winger will keep Labour out of power for years to come? Or could it be that they have foregone their left wing credentials and the thought of Labour being a left wing party is alien to them? Probably a bit of both. People in power will do everything to protect that power and probably see Corbyn as a threat to their way of life. It's okay for labour to have the odd socialist, probably makes the rest of the party feel better about themselves but the idea of that person being leader is terrifying for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) A lot of the same self serving c!unts who were against independence are now against Corbyn, for that reason alone I hope he wins. Look at it this way, if he wins then Labour will likely self implode and kick him out or even split. This will make labour even weaker in Scotland and the rest of the UK Edited August 16, 2015 by ParisInAKilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brant grebner Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Labour will rig the ballots like they always do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Corbyn makes Michael Foot look like an established statesman. Michael Foot was an established statesman - he had served in government and despite looking more like an eccentric professor than a political leader he often spoke a lot of sense, IMO. In some ways he was the mirror opposite of today's typical Labour politician, who look the part but tend to spout absolute gibberish. Incidentally, here's a link to 'The Longest Suicide Note in History', for anyone who is interested: https://cabinetroom.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/the-longest-suicide-note-in-history-what-did-labours-1983-manifesto-actually-say/ To be honest, I quite like it. No UK labour leader will support Scottish independence, Corbyn will be no different. Extra powers is another argument but then you could argue that more powers will actually be bad for Scotland. To lump Corbyn in with better together and the majority of Westminster politicians is crazy, you might not agree with what he says but at least he has principles and is honest. I may get stick for this but you could argue that a UK with Corbyn as PM will be more socially just than an independent Scotland with the SNP in charge. His policies are certainly to the left of many of the SNP's. I favoured extra powers for Scotland, because although the SNP's approach may not be the right one we would at least have had it in our gift to democratically remove them from government and replace them with someone proposing doing things differently. How we would have funded it all would have been the tricky part, so perhaps FFA at this stage wouldn't have been the best thing for Scotland. A Corbyn led government at WM could affect change in way that Holyrood simply isn't able to. In opposition, Labour, in conjunction with some of the other parties, like the SNP, could prevent some of the Tories' more socially unjust policies going through (is there any other kind?). Unlike Ed Milliband, I imagine Corbyn would show a bit of solidarity with striking workers. I still support the idea of an independent Scottish state but in the short to medium term a Labour party led by Jeremy Corbyn either in opposition or in government could be a decent compromise. However, if there is one thing that has disappointed me about Corbyn it's this feeling I get that he hasn't really grasped the Scotland angle, if indeed he has even attempted to. I wouldn't expect him to support independence but I was hoping he might at least acknowledge that a significant minority of us wanted change before explaining how change is possible by backing him. To the best of my knowledge he hasn't really done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Probably because he's a bankbench London MP thrust into the limelight by the sheer mediocrity of opposition to him. I doubt he's committed much thinking time to recent Scottish politics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Probably because he's a bankbench London MP thrust into the limelight by the sheer mediocrity of opposition to him. I doubt he's committed much thinking time to recent Scottish politics... hence the reason a Corbyn victory does nothing for Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 hence the reason a Corbyn victory does nothing for Scotland. Now you're just been silly. His commitment to progressive policy on reserved issues such as Welfare will have far reaching benefits for the whole of the UK, which of course includes Scotland whether you like it or not friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I'm pretty sure he is also on the same wavelength with regards to Trident and an alternative future for the Faslane base as the Scottish Government too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I'm pretty sure he is also on the same wavelength with regards to Trident and an alternative future for the Faslane base as the Scottish Government too. He is indeedy! He's also fully committed to abolishing Zero Hour contracts, not the half arsed 'exploitative' cop out that Labour and other parties currently have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 He is indeedy! He's also fully committed to abolishing Zero Hour contracts, not the half arsed 'exploitative' cop out that Labour and other parties currently have. Corbyn in a bikini? WTF is awe that aboot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Corbyn in a bikini? WTF is awe that aboot? I want to be where the people are, protesting injustice and demonstrating... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Dave Milliband now warning people not to vote for JC. Will we get a headline where a senior Labour figure actually suggests he might not be all that bad?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Questions being asked in media over corbyns possible links to anti semitic groups and whether he has done enough to reign in the vitriol of his online supporters .......hmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Questions being asked in media over corbyns possible links to anti semitic groups and whether he has done enough to reign in the vitriol of his online supporters .......hmmmm Yes, he's been seen with some bad people. He's a one man band, living in a fantasy land, leading the deluded astray. He couldn't possibly keep his promises, or pay for his wish list of policies. Getting into power would be a disaster. Businesses would flee the country. The country would become an international pariah. Better the devil you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Dave Milliband now warning people not to vote for JC. Will we get a headline where a senior Labour figure actually suggests he might not be all that bad?... This leadership campaign has been brilliant for smoking out the Labour careerists: they are the ones shiteing themselves at the thought of their wee 'project' being brought to a shuddering halt! Questions being asked in media over corbyns possible links to anti semitic groups and whether he has done enough to reign in the vitriol of his online supporters .......hmmmm Yes, he's been seen with some bad people. He's a one man band, living in a fantasy land, leading the deluded astray. He couldn't possibly keep his promises, or pay for his wish list of policies. Getting into power would be a disaster. Businesses would flee the country. The country would become an international pariah. Better the devil you know. It's worked before ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 His story reminds me of Peter Pumpkinhead. Will he meet the same fate?... Great song. By a Swindon band XTC no less. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Katy Clark on Scotland 2015 tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Katy Clark on Scotland 2015 tonight. Has she confirmed if she is standing for Holyrood yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Has she confirmed if she is standing for Holyrood yet? She's standing for CAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 She's standing for CAC. California Arts Council? Cotation Assistée en Continu? Chengdu Aircraft Corporation? Canadian Aviation Corps? Coalition against Communalism? Cardiff Athletic Club? Help a comrade out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Cougars After Communists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Cougars After Communists Now there's a thing. I've no idea if she will stand for Holyrood or not, but I'd doubt it. She's just returned to her day job as a legal advisor to the TU. There's a nationwide campaign just now to have her and a few other lefties on the Conference Arrangements Committee, to ensure there are some progressive issues on the agenda and not just what colour of Red goes nice with blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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