tartandon Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 If some has worked hard to get in a position where they earn over £50k good luck to them - they don't deserve to be hammered for grafting. The politics of envy. if I were lucky enough to earn over £50k, I would gladly pay a higher percentage of NI and Tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 He will not get elected and the damning of is only bolstering the snp any left leaning labour (sounds ridiculous to say) must now realise for good 'that' labour is over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartandon Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I'd be amazed if there's another referendum in the next 5 years. 2030 at the earliest would be my bet... F*ck that. I'll probably be deid by then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wibble Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I'll say again: voting for Burnham - or Labour will again be unelectable in the rest of the UK. It hurts - but as an exile... it's fuqqin' there. I'm used to losing a as a Scotland fan - but, fae time, tae time... gie's a brek!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I'll say again: voting for Burnham - or Labour will again be unelectable in the rest of the UK. It hurts - but as an exile... it's fuqqin' there. I'm used to losing a as a Scotland fan - but, fae time, tae time... gie's a brek!!! I'd rather lose with Corbyn than lose with feckin Burnham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibelieve!!! Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 if I were lucky enough to earn over £50k, I would gladly pay a higher percentage of NI and Tax. Feck that, always try and find a loophole to get a rebate cheque!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilser Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) If Labour could motivate the English electorate who didn't vote at all at the last election to vote Labour they'd get a Labour government, without having to bother about persuading swing voters in marginal constituencies to back Labour again. It'll never happen but it illustrates the effect of not voting. Corbyn probably has more chance of attracting some of those potential voters to actually vote than the other candidates though. Edited July 23, 2015 by neilser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 Labour have lost millions of voters since 97 who don't vote conservative, yet as a party they seem obsessed with trying to win votes from Torries At its core a party that stands for all outside around 30 or 40 decent people who at least have a backbone to represent the poor people in their constituencies. I hope Corbyn wins, one because most of his policies are common sense and would better the UK and secondly because it will show that the majority of labour MPs are snakes only interested in power and respesting business before people. There would be mutiny and he'd be thrown out within months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 The current policies being enacted by the Conservatives are unbelievably harsh on the young and the poor and heaven forbid being young, poor and chronically ill. Regardless of which Labour leader would be best for independence, I'd like Corbyn to win. There is going to be a lost generation in the UK and I include Scotland in that since with Barnett consequentials due to Osbourne's cost cutting on various departments, it's only a matter of time before Holyrood ends up having to do something with tuition fees in my opinion. Corbyn represents the last chance for the next generation of school leavers in the UK to actually have a fecking chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khana Lagur Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 A Corbyn win might give some short-term impetus to those still thinking Labour can be a party of the traditional left. But that won't last, as the socialism it espouses can't compete with modern-day aspiration and capita;ism. Labour hasn't a hope in hell of winning the 2020 GE, regardless of who leads them. Kendall is the best hope for an indyref2. She's a crypto-Tory and Scotland will only turn to independence when the population finally realises that Westminster is a Tory domain, regardless of what party is in government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Great comments from Mark Steel as ever... http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-last-thing-labour-needs-is-a-leader-like-jeremy-corbyn-who-people-want-to-vote-for-10411466.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitre Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I will be amazed if Burnham doesn't win. The bottom 2 candidates will drop out and support him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jie Bie Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I have no issue with that. About time we had a redistribution of wealth. Income != Wealth I'd rather he came out in favour of LVT as a redistributive policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittymeister Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Income != Wealth I'd rather he came out in favour of LVT as a redistributive policy. The problem as I see it is that any tax based on land value has to take into account pensioners who bought their property ages ago for a fraction of today's value but have limited resources to pay a tax based on the value of the land. Valuing the land is also problematical. The easiest way to collect a tax is to take it at source. And close down all tax avoidance loopholes and seriously punish those that under declare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Labour Party will be finished in England as a serious contender for power for a very long time to come if Corbyn gets in. I would say the party will actually split. That is not to say any of the candidates are worthy of being the leader. What a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Labour Party will be finished in England as a serious contender for power for a very long time to come if Corbyn gets in. That's basically Tory right wing propaganda there and what they want you to believe Demonising Corbyn early doors When the Tory ideology impact is eventually realised there will need to be an alternative As someone said earlier - Corbyn's policies arent revolutionary or outrageous and are supported by a great deal of people Edited July 25, 2015 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 And the question nobody has answered is if Corbyn was going to be such a gift to the Tory party why are they and their right wing media lampooning him before he even gets the job ? The establishment are nervous Remember - only 30% or so voted for the Tories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serbo69 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 And the question nobody has answered is if Corbyn was going to be such a gift to the Tory party why are they and their right wing media lampooning him before he even gets the job ? The establishment are nervous Remember - only 30% or so voted for the Tories Yes but 30% of people who will always vote. Getting the other 70% to vote / vote the same way must be a tough job. We need a crisis/ war for a new government or independence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 The media panic continues unabated, check out paragraph 4!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 "Assassinated" Even Salmond didn't have to put up with that at the height of Project Fear... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 Build more houses, improve wages, re distribute wealth, maintain the welfare state and NHS, don't waste money on nuclear weapons and a foreign policy based on non violence. In 2015 this isn't mainstream for the fu!cking Labour Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 The problem as I see it is that any tax based on land value has to take into account pensioners who bought their property ages ago for a fraction of today's value but have limited resources to pay a tax based on the value of the land. Valuing the land is also problematical. The easiest way to collect a tax is to take it at source. And close down all tax avoidance loopholes and seriously punish those that under declare. I can't quite get my head around LVT. Andy Wightman produced a paper for the Scottish Greens, but it seems to suggest that LVT is based around a kind of 'banding' system, similar to Council Tax. The SSP favour a form of local income tax (know as the Scottish Service Tax) which disregards the first £10k of income and then taxes the remainder at 5% (I think). I suspect that is based on total household income but I am not sure if it also disregards pensions and state benefits. That's basically Tory right wing propaganda there and what they want you to believe Demonising Corbyn early doors When the Tory ideology impact is eventually realised there will need to be an alternative As someone said earlier - Corbyn's policies arent revolutionary or outrageous and are supported by a great deal of people. That was me. Corbyn is more of a Michael Foot than a Tony Benn, albeit without the former's intellect or the latter's charisma. That's not to say that he is a dumpling or that he lacks charisma - he absolutely is not and does not - but to me he doesn't seem like a natural leader of men. However, I think he could be a good 'caretaker' leader of the Labour party, capable of shifting it back to its roots. That there is a genuine, viable alternative to the Tories is vital for democracy in the UK. At the last GE voters had a choice between Cameron and Milliband as PM. Both were promising austerity; the electorate opted for the more competent man to deliver that austerity. I don't blame them - if I was told I needed an amputation I'd want the most competent surgeon available to perform the operation. However, if I was offered the alternative of a doctor who promised a cure, then I'd want to listen to him first. The media panic continues unabated, check out paragraph 4!!! That sounds horrific but when you consider the fate of poor auld Robin Cook (allegedly), it is not all that far fetched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Build more houses, improve wages, re distribute wealth, maintain the welfare state and NHS, don't waste money on nuclear weapons and a foreign policy based on non violence. In 2015 this isn't mainstream for the fu!cking Labour Party. Down, radical man, down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 Notice the mainstream media never interview economists who argue that austerity doesn't work. Literally hundreds of videos and articles online about it but the media press ahead that this is the only economic policy that will "save" the UK economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 Down, radical man, down! It's scunnereds fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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