Donaldo87 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 3 goals for the GE 1. More SNP seats than Labour 2. Lib Dem being wiped out on the mainland 3. Every highprofile unionist out on their arse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 The SNP membership is approx 100,000 On average each member pays £5 a month So each month the SNP rakes in £500,000 That kitty should be enough for massive campaigning and advertising like never before in the run up to the GE to give them a chance of obtaining the seats predicted (hopefully) good point and also it looks like they will be on the Leaders Debate, so wont be as marginalised as before.. the SNP a;so have a huge energetic new membership who will deliver leaflets , man stalls and make calls. Labour dont have many on the ground, unlike the referendum they cant bus folk up from England and Wales and the Orange Order wont be doing their work this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holty Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The reason for my belief that the SNP will do VERY well is based on the referendum. In the 2010 GE, 1.9m people voted for Unionist Parties, in the referendum 2m voted No. In the 2010 GE, less than half a million voted SNP but 1.6m voted Yes last year. If the SNP can get their vote up to the 1 million mark Labour seats will fall like dominoes, get it above 1 million and well......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Labour (in the shape of their councils) are recognising that a lot of the "Yes" activists will be working on the ground for the SNP during the WM2015 campaign. And they know that their activist infrastructure has collapsed. They have responded in some councils by not allowing poster to be put up on lamp posts - because they know that they don't have the boots on the ground to match the numbers that the SNP can do. Now, I doubt very much that a poster on a lamp post will convince anyone one way or t'other. But this is what Labour is up to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Labour (in the shape of their councils) are recognising that a lot of the "Yes" activists will be working on the ground for the SNP during the WM2015 campaign. And they know that their activist infrastructure has collapsed. They have responded in some councils by not allowing poster to be put up on lamp posts - because they know that they don't have the boots on the ground to match the numbers that the SNP can do. Now, I doubt very much that a poster on a lamp post will convince anyone one way or t'other. But this is what Labour is up to. There's a large bunch out for Katy this weekend, even the Ayrshire Central Labour boys and girls are out for Katy cos Donohoe... Well he's a dickhead isn't he? I believe a few SSP will be joining them as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 There's a large bunch out for Katy this weekend, even the Ayrshire Central Labour boys and girls are out for Katy cos Donohoe... Well he's a Seb Coe isn't he? I believe a few SSP will be joining them as well. I was speaking generally. There will be undoubtedly a few "sun spots". Like deepest, darkest Ayrshire. The Fife coalfields. The steel areas of Lanarkshire. The rest of us are in the 21st Century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I was speaking generally. There will be undoubtedly a few "sun spots". Like deepest, darkest Ayrshire. The Fife coalfields. The steel areas of Lanarkshire. The rest of us are in the 21st Century. Yes, yes I've been hearing the 'Socialism is dead' rhetoric from plenty of your chaps and chapettes of late, I don't hold it against them. I'll still campaign in their interests. I love you all even if you don't love yourselves I'll be out with the RIC in Squirelhumpers home town this weekend spreading the good word to the peons of Ayrshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 aye, The Bruce lost 11 battles before we won... just as well u werenae aboot in those days.. LOL he also fought for the inglish i believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 a few reasons, the majorities that Labour have, all at least 10,000 Massive. Absolutely Massive SNP Candidates, a few very inexperienced ones... The Libs are strong in their local areas. Michael Moore is well thot of, the Orkneys wiill vote Lib etc The Tories will come out as they believe they can win, Current seat will be held and i think D and G will be won as well. The Referendum has energized the population.. there will be a high turnout.. The Naws will vote tactically. The Greens will cause the SNP to fall short of a few seats. The Polls can only go one way... Plus, probably the main one, I am scared to believe them... Thanks, all good reasons. Depressed now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Thanks, all good reasons. Depressed now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Thanks, all good reasons. Depressed now I like the world before memes, when people actually had to think of something witty to say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Thanks, all good reasons. Depressed now I like the world before memes, when people actually had to think of something witty to say... Would you have got the reference had I just posted "Good, good"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Maybe we had to lose to win Plinthy - thats what i'm holding onto The first round was making the people of Scotland politically aware and shining a light under Scottish Labour and the other unionist parties Things like last week's question time can only help the cause not to mention the agenda of the London parties & the rise of UKIP etc As time goes on the drift of people will be more towards our way of thinking not the other way I don't really trust this guy but he sums up my own feelings quite well... Gordon Brown’s bank bailout was probably the biggest single gift any politician has ever given his corporate masters in the entire history of the world. It is worth reminding ourselves just how very right wing the Red Tories are. Not to mention the fact their front bench remains littered with war criminals. I therefore have grave reservations about Nicola Sturgeon’s weekend interview indication that the People of Scotland want a Labour Government with SNP support. I don’t. I am not going to elect somebody to represent me as chief bag carrier to a war criminal. The SNP leadership remain infected by managerialism. It is easy to convince yourself you are doing good things while not changing anything fundamental, and at the same time building a very well paid career and a personal powerbase. I don’t want devo-max, I don’t want more powers, I don’t want something “as close to federalism as possible”. I want freedom for my country. I want independence. I want to live in a country which does not illegally invade other countries, collude in torture, carry out mass surveillance of its citizens, or possess nuclear weapons. The idea of running the Union a little bit better, making it a teeny bit more humane and competent, does not interest me. Nor does dulling the edge of austerity, when it is going to behead us anyway. https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I expect the SNP will do well. Until recently I mainly voted SNP, but in the last couple of years started looking ahead beyond the indy vote, indulging myself in 'post-nationalist' thinking and voting Green. Turns out I was getting ahead of myself. The trend followers are finally getting into SNP in a big way, just as all the cool kids are abandoning SNP for minority parties. (I still expect to vote SNP in the GE, pointless voting Green, though I would do so in England and quite likely to in 2016.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 I expect the SNP will do well. Until recently I mainly voted SNP, but in the last couple of years started looking ahead beyond the indy vote, indulging myself in 'post-nationalist' thinking and voting Green. Turns out I was getting ahead of myself. The trend followers are finally getting into SNP in a big way, just as all the cool kids are abandoning SNP for minority parties. (I still expect to vote SNP in the GE, pointless voting Green, though I would do so in England and quite likely to in 2016.) aye, i would vote green in an Indy Scot, or even a reformed Labour.. but we need to get there first.... Patrick Harvey was a star thru the ref and continues to be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasputin Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I think it could be SNP- 37 Labour - 20 Libdem - 1 Tory - 1 Some of this depends on the expected LibDem collapse and UKIP taking Tory votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Labour and SNP coalition likely following 2015 General Election, says Deutsche Bank http://www.cityam.com/208553/labour-and-snp-coalition-likely-says-deutsche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I believe Palpatine would vote for SNP to keep up an air of respectability but when showing himself as Sidious, it would be Labour. For Tony Blair, the father of the modern Labour Party look no further than Palpatine's master - Darth Plagueis......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I believe Palpatine would vote for SNP to keep up an air of respectability but when showing himself as Sidious, it would be Labour. For Tony Blair, the father of the modern Labour Party look no further than Palpatine's master - Darth Plagueis......... Of course he'd vote SNP, he's fae Dundee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Seems to me that the vast majority of the 45% who voted Yes will vote SNP as the best option amongst the Yes-supporting parties. There will be some Yes voters who vote Green but in relative terms it will be a fairly small proportion. There will also be some No voters who will vote SNP - that will include no voters who have changed their minds because the Vow clearly has been a con trick and they realise it, and also will include no voters who appreciate that the SNP will stand up for Scotland. I can see why the SNP are polling so well, and I reckon that for once we are going to surprise a lot of the pessimists. The other factor is that the anti-SNP vote is split between Tories and Labour, plus a few Lib Dems. I suspect any tactical voting by these people will cancel each other out to an extent. What will happen is that the mainstream media will go into overdrive with things like Wednesday's Morning Call where Eleanor Bradfor was sat there firing the bullets for another attack on the SNP, and nobody mentioned that the Scottish figures for A&E waiting times were actually the best of any of the components of the UK - it was quite funny though when nearly every called said that they had been seen promptly - that wasn't what Louise and Eleanor wanted to hear, and they took great umbrage when a caller tore them a new one for their clear bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannannan Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 A lot of my friends voted no and would and will do anything but vote SNP.I'm still a bit wary and pessimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDange Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 There have already been hints of it but I would expect most of the pro-indy organisations, even other political parties, to rally behind the SNP in Westminster then push for Green / SSP / SNP etc at Holyrood in 2016. There was a banner kicking around some websites and Twitter which has this printed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 SNP all the way for me in FPTP election as it's a pointless wasted vote for any minority party - it's exactly why it's a corrupt system. Until now, it's been used to sustain two-party politics. Come 2016 though, I'll be weighing candidates up on merit but likely to be SNP/Green or Green/SNP if I dont like SNP constituency candidate. As for prediction, Im going neck and neck: SNP: 28 Labour: 28 LibDem: 2 Tories: 1 And that's an optimistic prediction. Think the SNP will be doing well to keep this up through to May. Tonnes in their favour though: money, activists, Sturgeon in debates beside Miliband, Scottish Labour continuing to shoot themselves in the foot, etc. But I still fear the media doing them a turn and many voting by default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Come 2016 though, I'll be weighing candidates up on merit but likely to be SNP/Green or Green/SNP if I dont like SNP constituency candidate. The issue with that is that the Greens don't usually have constituency candidates - as they don't have much chance of winning consistencies (for the reasons you mentioned about FPTP). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 This surge could be down to a lot of the yessers remaining engaged and interested in politics. I've seen a few pals who previously never mentioned politics, some hadn't even voted in 10 years now posting up links through social media, email, texts etc and some have even joined the 3 indy parties. The ironic thing is that it could well be the 'silent majority' who are back in their boxes again. Back to the Great British Bakeoff and not turning out en masse in May. I personally don't believe much of this SNP support has come from no voters at all. Some possibly, but a good chunk of it is from the 45% many who are ex Labour supporters/voters. They also have 3/4 parties to choose from. So do indy supporters too, but from just speaking to people it seems many will 'play the system' and vote SNP in 15 yet SSP/Green or whoever in 16. The Unionist vote is much more divided - I know of a Tory in Dundee West planning on voting SNP as his vote is wasted, although they teamed up together in the referendum, only hardcore Unionsts who are Tories/Labour/Libs will vote for the anyone but the SNP. Still not getting too excited about the polls. It looks from Twitter etc that many SNP activists etc aren't either. After September I doubt many will get carried away. Those Ashcroft, Survation, Times/YouGov ones in the last weeks have been stunning reading and the thought of many Labour MPs on BBC throughout the early hours of May the 8th should be spurring anyone who supports the SNP or indy on to get out there and help the campaign, or at least vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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