Ally Bongo Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Belarus strongman Aleksander Lukashenko has conducted talks with Yevegeny Prigozhin. As a result of the negotiations that lasted for the whole day, Prigozhin has agreed to de-escalate. Lukashenko’s press service reports the negotiations took place with Vladimir Putin’s agreement. “Prigozhin has agreed to stop the march towards Moscow and take further steps to de-escalate the situation,” the statement says. As part of the agreement, Wagner fighters get security guarantees. What else was offered to Prigozhin and mercenaries is not clear. Michael O'Hanlon, an expert with the Brookings Institution, tells the BBC this deal "makes sense" because the situation in Russia was "extraordinarily risky" from Yevgeny Prigozhin's point of view. "The idea that Prigozhin could somehow engender a broad-based mass revolt against Putin is really a fairly tale," O'Hanlon says. However, it remains a "highly critical and dangerous moment" in Russia, O'Hanlon says. Several questions also remain, including what kind of terms Prigozhin was offered and what prospects he has for staying alive, O'Hanlon says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: Wonder how much the US has offered the Wagner Nazis Not enough since they’ve just shat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 40 minutes ago, aaid said: Not enough since they’ve just shat it. I think Lukashenko shat it first - terrified of an uprising in Belarus as well There is no way of knowing if Wagner could have instigated a civil war or not - because they stopped When it kicked off big time anything could have happened Looks like Wagner bluffed and won - all depends now what the price is they pay for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: I think Lukashenko shat it first - terrified of an uprising in Belarus as well There is no way of knowing if Wagner could have instigated a civil war or not - because they stopped When it kicked off big time anything could have happened Looks like Wagner bluffed and won - all depends now what the price is they pay for it Prigozhin exiled to Belarus, presumably he’ll be living in a bungalow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I’m guessing the Wagner boy will be avoiding tea in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Follow the money, I would suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamP Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Sad. Thought this could have been a turning point to stop the slaughter. Maybe putting doubts in Russian minds though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjd1972 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 As with everything else in the world Craig Murray and his followers reckon its a Western plot and that Prigozhin has been bought off by the CIA amongst others. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, sjd1972 said: As with everything else in the world Craig Murray and his followers reckon its a Western plot and that Prigozhin has been bought off by the CIA amongst others. 😆 Craig Murray should concentrate on paying his bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjd1972 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 5 hours ago, aaid said: Craig Murray should concentrate on paying his bills. He's got plenty of credulous followers who are more than happy to be rinsed of cash in return for Craig's unique take on world affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 13 minutes ago, sjd1972 said: He's got plenty of credulous followers who are more than happy to be rinsed of cash in return for Craig's unique take on world affairs. None of which seems to be heading towards the artists from Doune the Rabbit Hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 8 hours ago, sjd1972 said: As with everything else in the world Craig Murray and his followers reckon its a Western plot and that Prigozhin has been bought off by the CIA amongst others. 😆 I must have missed that. Just a joke? 6 hours ago, aaid said: Craig Murray should concentrate on paying his bills. 53 minutes ago, aaid said: None of which seems to be heading towards the artists from Doune the Rabbit Hole. Enjoying folk losing money due to covid? I used to like your posts aaid, but you seem to double down on pro-independence folk. (Not that I support your nemesis on here either btw.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Grim Jim said: I must have missed that. Just a joke? Enjoying folk losing money due to covid? I used to like your posts aaid, but you seem to double down on pro-independence folk. (Not that I support your nemesis on here either btw.) I’m not sure it was down to covid. The festival took place, from what I understand it was well attended and was a successful event. Artists subsequently weren’t paid what they were due. Bad management is the only possible reason. COVID was particularly difficult as well for performing artists, so that card rings a little bit hollow. In fact, who’s enjoying it. I can recall a couple of artists that I follow on Twitter cracking up about it at the time, they weren’t enjoying it. Edited June 25, 2023 by aaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 No need to defend the artists from me aaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4Footsoldier Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 9:28 PM, aaid said: Prigozhin exiled to Belarus, presumably he’ll be living in a bungalow Give it 6 months and he'll be one of the people to have mysteriously vanished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFH64 Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 8 hours ago, N4Footsoldier said: Give it 6 months and he'll be one of the people to have mysteriously vanished He won’t vanish, he’ll be found on the pavement beneath a 5th floor window 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4Footsoldier Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 11 hours ago, RDFH64 said: He won’t vanish, he’ll be found on the pavement beneath a 5th floor window 😳 Yeah, bookies should have odds on his disappearance circumstances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFH64 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Putin’s henchmen practicing for Prigozhin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Russia is raising the maximum age at which men can be conscripted from 27 to 30, making more of them liable to serve in the armed forces. The change was passed by the lower house of parliament on Tuesday. A senior Russian MP said the new law was written with a major conflict in mind. "It already smells like a big war," Andrei Kartapolov, head of the Russian parliament's defence committee, told MPs. The draft law also bans men from leaving the country from the day of their call-up. Since April, conscription papers can be issued online instead of in person. In addition, men who fail to report for conscription will be liable for fines of up to 30,000 roubles ($332), a tenfold increase. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66304522 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 Someone found an really clever way to estimate deaths on Russian side. Worked out about 50k at the time of the figures. So this war is really costly on both sides militarily , plus all the civilians too. Infrastructure etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 26 minutes ago, phart said: Someone found an really clever way to estimate deaths on Russian side. Worked out about 50k at the time of the figures. So this war is really costly on both sides militarily , plus all the civilians too. Infrastructure etc. The worry about trying to win a war of attrition is that eventually both sides, in this case mainly Russia, will look for a quick way to end it militarily Potentially increasing conscription is not a good sign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 On 7/26/2023 at 8:53 AM, phart said: Someone found an really clever way to estimate deaths on Russian side. Worked out about 50k at the time of the figures. So this war is really costly on both sides militarily , plus all the civilians too. Infrastructure etc. Heard the death toll on the Ukraine side is over 200,000 ? surely not ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 2 hours ago, glasgow jock said: Heard the death toll on the Ukraine side is over 200,000 ? surely not ?? Including civilians, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 22 hours ago, glasgow jock said: Heard the death toll on the Ukraine side is over 200,000 ? surely not ?? Seems plausible if 50k+ Russian soldiers have died and you add in the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66599733 Putin strikes again 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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