csinclair Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 58 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: Do you know much about those centre halves, who's more likely to make it? Morrison has played quite regularly for Wigan, so I assume he's been doing well. I noticed that Mullen hasn't played regularly for Inverness but don't know why. King I think needs a move away from Rangers, maybe a loan. He's looked good in the last few U21s games for Scotland (including some games in holding midfield) but really needs game time. Mullen picked up a back injury at the end of Feb which was reportedly going to keep him out for 'months'. Morrison has been in and out of a Wigan side where Maloney seems to like rotating a bit. He signed a new contract at Bayern last summer so will be interesting to see if they loan him to a Championship team, somewhere abroad or keep him in their youth team next season. Bowat has played regularly in the Austrian league for Hartberg who are currently 5th. Can't say I've seen him play for them for he's impressed me for U21s (when playing CB that is, Gemmill tried him at LB too and he looked very uncomfortable). Smith is the youngest of the bunch. Very highly rated by Villa coaches but has mostly been sat on the bench during his loan spell at St Johnstone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, csinclair said: King I think needs a move away from Rangers, maybe a loan. He's looked good in the last few U21s games for Scotland (including some games in holding midfield) but really needs game time. Mullen picked up a back injury at the end of Feb which was reportedly going to keep him out for 'months'. Morrison has been in and out of a Wigan side where Maloney seems to like rotating a bit. He signed a new contract at Bayern last summer so will be interesting to see if they loan him to a Championship team, somewhere abroad or keep him in their youth team next season. Bowat has played regularly in the Austrian league for Hartberg who are currently 5th. Can't say I've seen him play for them for he's impressed me for U21s (when playing CB that is, Gemmill tried him at LB too and he looked very uncomfortable). Smith is the youngest of the bunch. Very highly rated by Villa coaches but has mostly been sat on the bench during his loan spell at St Johnstone. Thanks for the reply. I've seen a bit of them at u21 level (except Smith) and thought they've all looked pretty good but the key thing is getting regular games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 7 hours ago, csinclair said: King I think needs a move away from Rangers, maybe a loan. He's looked good in the last few U21s games for Scotland (including some games in holding midfield) but really needs game time. Mullen picked up a back injury at the end of Feb which was reportedly going to keep him out for 'months'. Morrison has been in and out of a Wigan side where Maloney seems to like rotating a bit. He signed a new contract at Bayern last summer so will be interesting to see if they loan him to a Championship team, somewhere abroad or keep him in their youth team next season. Bowat has played regularly in the Austrian league for Hartberg who are currently 5th. Can't say I've seen him play for them for he's impressed me for U21s (when playing CB that is, Gemmill tried him at LB too and he looked very uncomfortable). Smith is the youngest of the bunch. Very highly rated by Villa coaches but has mostly been sat on the bench during his loan spell at St Johnstone. This reminds me a little of a debate we all had a number of years ago where we discussed which of Souttar, McKenna or Hendry were likely to turn into full internationals. Well it turns out it was all 3! Hopefully the same thing happens with the 3 you've mentioned. CBs almost always take longer to fulfill their potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 17 hours ago, Tartan blood said: This reminds me a little of a debate we all had a number of years ago where we discussed which of Souttar, McKenna or Hendry were likely to turn into full internationals. Well it turns out it was all 3! Hopefully the same thing happens with the 3 you've mentioned. CBs almost always take longer to fulfill their potential. Add Harry Souttar into it too as his career seems to have taken a really weird trajectory and shows how much luck plays a factor too. When he was loaned out to Fleetwood from Stoke then plumped for Australia was a bit miffed but at best saw him as a Championship plodder so no big deal. Stoke then went to 3 at the back and he looked really solid plus could spray it about a bit. Genuinely though despite a decent showing in the WC Stoke fans were happy at getting £15m for him. The Stoke forum was predominantly take the money and run as it seemed based on a decent season and a bit plus a couple of world cup games. Leicester were a bit shit in the Premier League in fairness to him but now they seem to be playing 4 at the back he can barely get a sniff. Pretty mental he's only played 3 times this season for them in the league. Still think he'd have made our squad for the Euros, and we'd be moaning about his lack of game time, but what a weird trajectory going from Fleetwood, to lavish WC praise then into Leicester purgatory within the space of 4 years. He's 25 too so his next move will be key although doesn't really matter to us apart from wondering what might have been. However, he could get a move to a team that plays three at the back and be seen as a massive loss in the next few years. Fickle game defo.    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHfaeGTA Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Andy Irving scores hat trick against RB Salzburg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 11 minutes ago, GHfaeGTA said: Andy Irving scores hat trick against RB Salzburg Chings! Thats him and Bowat the CB doing well in that league. What’s the standard of that league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csinclair Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 34 minutes ago, GHfaeGTA said: Andy Irving scores hat trick against RB Salzburg That’ll be a boost for Johnston’s title hopes at Sturm Graz too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 39 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Chings! Thats him and Bowat the CB doing well in that league. What’s the standard of that league? Hes maybe just had the game of his life. Saying that he's scored 9 in 27 from midfield. A goal every 204 mins. He's only 23, could this guy be worth a shout for future squads. Never even heard of him until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csinclair Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 39 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said: Hes maybe just had the game of his life. Saying that he's scored 9 in 27 from midfield. A goal every 204 mins. He's only 23, could this guy be worth a shout for future squads. Never even heard of him until now. Think he had some injury problems but some hearts fans were sad to see him go. Fair play to him he’s gone abroad and done well and earned himself a move to West Ham. Will be interesting to see if he gets a chance there next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Christie immense for Bournemouth again. If you were to believe stats sites he is one of the best players in his position in the EPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Louis Jackson on the bench for Man Utd tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theabsentee Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, ceudmilefailte said: Christie immense for Bournemouth again. If you were to believe stats sites he is one of the best players in his position in the EPL. Surely Clarke can't ignore when a player transforms himself from a average attacking midfielder to a fantastic holding midfielder much longer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdgsct Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 38 minutes ago, theabsentee said: Surely Clarke can't ignore when a player transforms himself from a average attacking midfielder to a fantastic holding midfielder much longer! Agree, the two friendlies were the ideal opportunity. I think he provides more legs and tackling than magregor and gilmour who seem to to be too similar to be effective together. Obviously offers something going forwards too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 See Andy Irving got a second half hat trick for his Austrian side against RB Salzburg. He also got a goal and an assist against them last week. That's 9 goals and 4 assists in 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syecosse Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Ryan One seem to be scoring regularly now in the Sheff Utd u21 side, made the a few first team appearances but hopefully next year we will see this guy kick on, as looks a real talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 5 hours ago, syecosse said: Ryan One seem to be scoring regularly now in the Sheff Utd u21 side, made the a few first team appearances but hopefully next year we will see this guy kick on, as looks a real talent. Yeah, he already looks like an athlete. Very developed for a 17 year old. Sounds like Rory Wilson is banging them in for Villa u21s as well. Only 18. Fingers crossed this is a case of waiting for a bus and 2 come at once.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syecosse Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Gone a bit under the radar but noticed that Matthew Craig has apparently been having a very successful loan at Doncaster from Spurs, was spurs u21s captain before joining Doncaster in Jan on loan, signed a long term deal at Spurs last summer so hopefully gets a higher up loan next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noctonjock Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Goal for lyndon Dykes tonight for QPR v leeds tonight . Watched the game and thought Dykes was very good . Bitter sweet game as a leeds and Scotland fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just now, noctonjock said: Goal for lyndon Dykes tonight for QPR v leeds tonight . Watched the game and thought Dykes was very good . Bitter sweet game as a leeds and Scotland fan Good to see him get a goal. We need our strikers to hit a bit of form before the euros. End of the day dykes has earned his spot in the squad and its likely he gets serious gametime while we are there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, noctonjock said: Goal for lyndon Dykes tonight for QPR v leeds tonight . Watched the game and thought Dykes was very good . Bitter sweet game as a leeds and Scotland fan That’s really good to hear. Adams is bang on form now too also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 If, as is quite possible, Hickey, Patterson and Tierney are all ruled out through injury I think we should go to four at the back. The wing-back system only benefits us with the Tierney/Robertson pivot and we are weakened greatly trying to play the same system without Tierney. Porteous has (I think) played as a right-back for Watford this season and Hendry and McKenna as centre-backs with Robertson at left-back. Midfield of five consisting of Christie, McTominay, McGinn, Gilmour and McGregor with Shankland or Dykes or Adams up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Bra Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 3 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: If, as is quite possible, Hickey, Patterson and Tierney are all ruled out through injury I think we should go to four at the back. The wing-back system only benefits us with the Tierney/Robertson pivot and we are weakened greatly trying to play the same system without Tierney. Porteous has (I think) played as a right-back for Watford this season and Hendry and McKenna as centre-backs with Robertson at left-back. Midfield of five consisting of Christie, McTominay, McGinn, Gilmour and McGregor with Shankland or Dykes or Adams up front. I don’t think that’s a bad shout, hadn’t thought of Porteous as right back. Has he played that position much? The only issue might lack of width but playing in a back four for Liverpool doesn’t stop Robertson getting forward. However, I fully expect numerous people to tell you how we can’t play a back four! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Black Bra said:  However, I fully expect numerous people to tell you how we can’t play a back four! Well to them I would say that Clarke stuck to five at the back as it was the most successful system to integrate both Tierney and Robertson into the same side. Well if Tiernwy is out then the system simply does not work. Cooper or McKenna are no Kieran Tierney in the left centre-back position and they should not be expected to be as they are totally different players. Just as five at the back ensured we had our best players on the pitch then now four at the back does the same. Edited April 27 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdgsct Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Back 5 versus a lone striker and 2 wide men is difficult as your 3 central defenders tend to get drawn out or you end up with 3v1 and your wing backs get pushed back by their wingers - which means you get outnumbered in midfield - as per Ukraine play-off.There is a reason 90% of club sides play a back 4. Its because 90% of club sides play a lone striker and 2 wide men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noctonjock Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Just seen Andy Robertson scored for Liverpool. Doesn't score many goals for them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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