Orraloon Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 24 minutes ago, The Black Bra said: Am I right in saying that if Czech Rep and Israel draw tomorrow then we’ve won the group? If Czechs draw tomorrow then win their last game, they’ll finish on 10 points, even if we lose both games we’ll have 10 points but will beat Czechs on head to head. If Israel draw then win their last game they can only finish on 9 points. Obviously, none of this matters if we win first! That is correct but we need as many points as possible to get a playoff spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Texas Pete said: I’m not sure I understand you. We can’t beat Slovakia and Israel? Of course we can, point is come end of normal qualification we will probably need to beat number 1 or 2 seeds, to get second in group. This is far far easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 24 minutes ago, Orraloon said: That is correct but we need as many points as possible to get a playoff spot. Theoretically could still get one if other group winners get auto qualification. Would love 6 more points though, really would be on a roll then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Of course we can, point is come end of normal qualification we will probably need to beat number 1 or 2 seeds, to get second in group. This is far far easier. Aye, sorry I misunderstood right enough. Yes, this is our best chance of a playoff. Winning both games will be difficult but if we beat Slovakia tomorrow then Israel will have nothing to play for on Wednesday. We’ve got a decent chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Texas Pete said: Aye, sorry I misunderstood right enough. Yes, this is our best chance of a playoff. Winning both games will be difficult but if we beat Slovakia tomorrow then Israel will have nothing to play for on Wednesday. We’ve got a decent chance. Funny I remember having an argument with you about qualifying for the euros via the nations league. I was saying as all team were in theory of equal ability so at best we were 12/1 and we had a much better chance of being second behind Belgium. OK you win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Theoretically could still get one if other group winners get auto qualification. Would love 6 more points though, really would be on a roll then. On the other hand theoretically 6 points might not be enough. Two of the League A group winners might finish 3rd in their WC groups. But as long as one of them finish 3rd behind us, that would be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiesdad Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I'm also sure if we win both games and other results go our way, we can sneak into pot 2 for World Cup draw. I'm not sure of the exact compilation of results. But let's just won these 2 and take it from there⚽👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, SkyBlueScot said: Forgive my ignorance but how many right-footed centre back do we have? Gallagher, Hanley and Souttar are the obvious ones. There’s also Bates, Hendry and McCrorie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, Archiesdad said: I'm also sure if we win both games and other results go our way, we can sneak into pot 2 for World Cup draw. I'm not sure of the exact compilation of results. But let's just won these 2 and take it from there⚽👍 I could be wrong but I think we had to beat Serbia and also win our last 2 games to stand a chance of pot 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 35 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Funny I remember having an argument with you about qualifying for the euros via the nations league. I was saying as all team were in theory of equal ability so at best we were 12/1 and we had a much better chance of being second behind Belgium. OK you win. You would probably have been correct if Clarke had been in charge from the start of the campaign but the disaster in Kazakhstan made it almost impossible for us to finish ahead of Russia. Russia were quite strong as well so it was always going to be hard even if we had beaten Kazakhstan. Excellent, I have finally won an argument on here after years of trying. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyBlueScot Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Archiesdad said: I'm also sure if we win both games and other results go our way, we can sneak into pot 2 for World Cup draw. I'm not sure of the exact compilation of results. But let's just won these 2 and take it from there⚽👍 http://www.weglobalfootball.com/2020/11/13/uefa-world-cup-2022-qualifying-pots-update/ This is handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, SkyBlueScot said: http://www.weglobalfootball.com/2020/11/13/uefa-world-cup-2022-qualifying-pots-update/ This is handy. Reading that very useful website. I'd say the odds are against us getting into Pot 2. We'd need to win both our remaining games and hope those above us in pot 3 and those in pot 2 loses their matches or fail to win. Stretching it a bit I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 2 hours ago, The Black Bra said: Am I right in saying that if Czech Rep and Israel draw tomorrow then we’ve won the group? If Czechs draw tomorrow then win their last game, they’ll finish on 10 points, even if we lose both games we’ll have 10 points but will beat Czechs on head to head. If Israel draw then win their last game they can only finish on 9 points. Obviously, none of this matters if we win first! I was about to post the same thing but had that nagging feeling that i was missing something so if that is the case you can take the flak bb 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, todd said: I was about to post the same thing but had that nagging feeling that i was missing something so if that is the case you can take the flak bb 😁 Yes that would be the case (if Czechs draw with Israel) after a loss for us we'd win the group tomorrow. Lets be positive though and go for the win tomorrow and chase the remote possibility of a place in pot 2 which would vanish if we don't beat Slovakia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Yes that would be the case (if Czechs draw with Israel) after a loss for us we'd win the group tomorrow. Lets be positive though and go for the win tomorrow and chase the remote possibility of a place in pot 2 which would vanish if we don't beat Slovakia. Are we guaranteed promotion to league A no matter what? Excuse my ignorance but bit pissed and cba working out the connotations 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, todd said: Are we guaranteed promotion to league A no matter what? Excuse my ignorance but bit pissed and cba working out the connotations 😁 Top the group and we are promoted to League A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 38 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Top the group and we are promoted to League A. I thought the top 2 got promoted, damn it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 41 minutes ago, todd said: Are we guaranteed promotion to league A no matter what? Excuse my ignorance but bit pissed and cba working out the connotations 😁 Just to add to what Craig has already said we need 2 points from our last 2 games to guarantee winning the group and promotion to league A but we will likely need at least 4 points to stand a chance of a World Cup playoff. 6 points would be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksburnDandy Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 In all the celebrations, I hope that SSC can have the lads totally focused again on the game tomorrow as this is another big one, as mentioned previously by fellow posters and by SSC himself today. With Robertson sounding unlikely to play, the debate is whether to play Tierney at LWB knowing that he probably couldn't then play in Israel with the way Arsenal and Scotland are managing him, play Taylor at LWB and Tierney at LCB or Taylor at LWB and one of Considine, McKenna or Cooper at LCB. It is a tough conundrum for Clarke particularly to ensure that we are as strong as we can be tomorrow. If SOD is replaced by Palmer, I wouldn't want to drop Tierney. Further forward, it feels like McBurnie will replace Dykes up front but I would rather it was Griffiths myself. And in the midfield, McLean and Armstrong will likely replace Jack and McGregor to freshen that area up. As such, I would likely go: Marshall; SOD, McTominay, Gallagher, Cooper, Tierney; Armstrong, McLean; Christie, Griffiths, McGinn. But I think Clarke will go: Marshall; Palmer, McTominay, Gallagher, Cooper, Tierney; Armstrong, McLean; Christie, McBurnie, McGinn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, BucksburnDandy said: As such, I would likely go: Marshall; SOD, McTominay, Gallagher, Cooper, Tierney; Armstrong, McLean; Christie, Griffiths, McGinn. But I think Clarke will go: Marshall; Palmer, McTominay, Gallagher, Cooper, Tierney; Armstrong, McLean; Christie, McBurnie, McGinn. Well at least Clarke's selection would got a sod out of the side. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksburnDandy Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Caledonian Craig said: Well at least Clarke's selection would got a sod out of the side. 😉 Touche my good man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocketrocketman1888 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, BucksburnDandy said: In all the celebrations, I hope that SSC can have the lads totally focused again on the game tomorrow as this is another big one, as mentioned previously by fellow posters and by SSC himself today. With Robertson sounding unlikely to play, the debate is whether to play Tierney at LWB knowing that he probably couldn't then play in Israel with the way Arsenal and Scotland are managing him, play Taylor at LWB and Tierney at LCB or Taylor at LWB and one of Considine, McKenna or Cooper at LCB. It is a tough conundrum for Clarke particularly to ensure that we are as strong as we can be tomorrow. If SOD is replaced by Palmer, I wouldn't want to drop Tierney. Further forward, it feels like McBurnie will replace Dykes up front but I would rather it was Griffiths myself. And in the midfield, McLean and Armstrong will likely replace Jack and McGregor to freshen that area up. As such, I would likely go: Marshall; SOD, McTominay, Gallagher, Cooper, Tierney; Armstrong, McLean; Christie, Griffiths, McGinn. But I think Clarke will go: Marshall; Palmer, McTominay, Gallagher, Cooper, Tierney; Armstrong, McLean; Christie, McBurnie, McGinn. McBurnies as laconic as Archibald but without the goals he offers nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Hopefully Griffiths starts ahead of McBurnie. McBurnie is worth a squad place but he’s had multiple chances and would be nice to see Griffiths get the nod tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Hopefully Griffiths starts ahead of McBurnie. McBurnie is worth a squad place but he’s had multiple chances and would be nice to see Griffiths get the nod tomorrow I’m not sure if Griffiths is fit enough to start. Shankland might get a run out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveheartGordon Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I think we’ll go for an almost complete rotation to use the squad and go back to a similar team to Thursday for Israel. Gordon O’Donnell Palmer McKenna Cooper Taylor Fleck McLean Armstrong McBurnie Griffiths could also see Considine come in as well as Burke or Shankland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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